How a Near-Death Experience Revealed ‘Bubbles of Heaven’ | Ep. 114 with Steve and Elaine Musick
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In part two of our conversation with Steve and Elaine Musick, we shift from what happened to them to what changed within them. After a life-altering encounter with heaven, they now live with a bold sense of purpose and a mission to share what they’ve learned.
From everyday miracles to powerful moments of connection, this episode invites you to consider the possibility that heaven isn’t far away—it’s already breaking through. Their story is a call to live with intention, love boldly, and recognize the sacred in the simple.
If you haven’t watched Part 1 yet, be sure to go back and hear Steve’s incredible near-death experience and the unforgettable message he received. In Part 2, Steve and Elaine show us what it looks like to live with "bubbles of heaven" all around us—small glimpses of God’s kingdom here and now.
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Transcript
Host
Welcome back to the No Gray Areas podcast. Today we're diving into part two of Steve and Elaine Music's interview. A shocking yet inspirational story on how he experienced heaven while he was in a five week coma. If you haven't listened to part one yet, pause this. Go check it out. In today's episode, we pick up their story after Steve returned from heaven.
::Host
What does life look like after an encounter like that? How can we live with more purpose and presence today? Let's jump in.
::Pat McCalla
Steven. Elaine. Music. Welcome back to the No Ears podcast audience. If you didn't hear part one, stop right now and go listen to
::Steve Musick
part one.
::Pat McCalla
Part two will make a lot more
::Steve Musick
sense. Yeah. If
::Pat McCalla
you listen to the first part of the story, because we're not going to rehash a lot of that other than just the fact that, Steve, part of your story, you've written this book called Life After Heaven How My Time in Heaven Can Transform Your Life on Earth, that you had this experience when you were around 20 years old, that you went into a coma for five weeks, you actually went to heaven.
::Pat McCalla
You spent some time with Jesus and he told you that you can't stay. And it was an amazing time that you had there. You didn't talk about it for ten years. Finally, you tell Elaine ten years later and, now you guys are on this really amazing journey of helping
::Pat McCalla
the rest of us learn from your story and what your experience really about how we live this life differently and anticipate.
::Pat McCalla
When
::Pat McCalla
I use your word
::Elaine Musick
Part one
::Pat McCalla
anticipation of of the hereafter. So, let's just jump right in. How? Steve, I'll ask you first, how did this experience that not many of us get? How did this experience change or transform how you're living this life?
::Steve Musick
We live lives now in anticipation that at any moment, at any time, on any day, that heaven would show up
::Steve Musick
and that we would recognize the opportunity and have the courage to step into it, step forward.
::Steve Musick
so it's a collaboration. The father starts and we follow. Yeah. And it happens practically. It happens every, you know, we're ready.
::Steve Musick
We're prepared.
::Pat McCalla
and you said this a little bit in part one, but I want to bring it up again. And it's kind of a theme in your book and what you guys do. That heaven is closer than we think,
::Steve Musick
Is that how you said yes? Yeah.
::Pat McCalla
Heaven is closer than we think. What do you mean by that? And in Elaine, I want you to speaking of that as well.
::Steve Musick
I think the father orchestrates events in his sovereignty where heaven comes close and draws nigh, and that we've learned when those events happen, when those moments occur. And we're actually in a place now where we teach and train people how to experience that, how to recognize that. And it's happened now. So much for so long that we think it's part of what the father's doing now.
::Pat McCalla
I love that. Help the audience a little bit. Understand what you mean by having this close like. Because because again,
::Pat McCalla
most of us don't get experienced. You experienced a little taste of heaven.
::Steve Musick
So
::Pat McCalla
when you say that heaven is closer than we think. What do you mean? Like what is heaven?
::Steve Musick
This life is dominated by the adversary of our souls. You don't have to go very far to to see evil in the world.
::Pat McCalla
true.
::Steve Musick
But he's a defeated enemy, and that makes him ruthless. So there's some circumstances that occur where the kingdom of heaven, the God of heaven, God Almighty, creates space where the adversary of our souls has no authority.
::Steve Musick
And in those spaces live strange.
::Pat McCalla
Wow. Well, said Elaine.
::Pat McCalla
You speaking of this then too? You know what this means? That heaven
::Pat McCalla
is closer than we think. Anticipating those moments and how this is transformed. I mean, you didn't experience, but you're married to someone who does and now you guys is really your story is intertwined.
::Elaine Musick
Two statements that kind of come forefront in my brain is that everybody. Everybody deserves to be seen and deserves to be valued and having that perspective. Keeping that perspective. Whenever I encounter anybody, whether it's, you know, whether it's our, our, the person at the grocery store, whether it's somebody who's cleaning the floor, whether it's it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter status, it doesn't matter anything.
::Elaine Musick
Those people deserve to be seen and valued. So when I meet somebody with that coming from that lens, then I get to look for the value that's in there. And that's for me. That's how I experience it, how Steve see somebody and how I see somebody in terms of of that lens of how to recognize it is different.
::Elaine Musick
And I think it's going to be different for many people. You know, some people now,
::Steve Musick
We are.
::Steve Musick
Different.
::Elaine Musick
we are different. And in how
::Steve Musick
are things to
::Elaine Musick
me and how God speaks to him is going to be very different. You know, some people say it's a feeling when he when he sees somebody and he says, well, that person is is glowing or something like that.
::Elaine Musick
I don't ever get that. Never. And so for me, it was that recognition of everybody deserves to be seen. When I look at you, what do I really see? You know, I see your face. But what do I really see? And what that means is I'm connecting my heart to what I feel is in your heart. And maybe
::Steve Musick
where you are
::Elaine Musick
in this, in this moment, in this time, in the world today.
::Elaine Musick
Right.
::Steve Musick
Yeah,
::Elaine Musick
Right.
::Elaine Musick
Right. So the anticipation also has some intentionality with it. You know, anticipation is not a passive thing. It's a choice.
::Steve Musick
Bubbles from heaven. Bubbles of heaven is sort of our own language. And part of that is because it's a perfect icon. A bubble is something that ignites and expands and lives change inside the bubbles, but they don't last. They pop, and then we're back to here. Yeah.
::Steve Musick
So it's the experience of renewal and changed lives. That's the important part of that.
::Steve Musick
So in: ::Steve Musick
I had a dream one night that changed our lives.
::Steve Musick
I'm at an intersection close to our house and a white Am in my blue Subaru station wagon, and a blue and a white moving van pulls up on on the left hand lane. Big truck and a white panel truck pulls up on my right again. Big truck.
::Steve Musick
And I can't see any of the direction the light turns green
::Steve Musick
and neither truck moves. I'm thinking, what are they texting? You know, are they okay? Yeah. It's like what what what what's the deal? And I get impatient. In the dream. I get impatient and I put put on the accelerator to go into the intersection just in time to get hit by a green and white trash truck traveling at a 60 miles an hour run in the red light.
::Steve Musick
My point of view changes. I'm now looking up and that trash truck hits me right at the driver's side post and it obliterates the car. And I'm D.O.A.. X marks the spot. No airbag would save me.
::Steve Musick
And then I wake up in a bubble of the kingdom of heaven is in our bedroom. And it was so powerful and so strong that it woke her up.
::Steve Musick
So I told her what I just told you.
::Elaine Musick
I was not happy.
::Steve Musick
Yeah. You're not driving today.
::Steve Musick
Just let it go. I don't care if you want to go back now.
::Steve Musick
When you have dreams that that that where they're pieces of the dream that are actually in reality. I was in my car. The song playing on the radio was Simon and Garfunkel. You know, it's it's like I get that that's in my play. Yeah, all of that. And I never recognize the intersection I drive to and from that on my way to work.
::Steve Musick
All of that, all of that was real. And so we woke up the next morning and we're at the breakfast table eating Cheerios, going, what was that all about? And we're trying to think, what does that mean? Well, three weeks goes by,
::Steve Musick
and by three weeks you sort of just shrug it off. And and Elaine, we actually got the gallows humor, you know?
::Steve Musick
She's gone. Now, wait a minute. We had Mexican food that night.
::Steve Musick
Yeah, that's it, that's it. No more green chili for you, you know? Yeah.
::Steve Musick
So yeah.
::Steve Musick
So here we are. I'm eating bland food, you know, but three weeks later, for real, I'm sitting at that same intersection. Simon and Garfunkel is on the radio. I mean, really blue Subaru station wagon and a white moving van pulls up on my left, and a white panel truck pulls up on my right and I have a deja vu.
::Steve Musick
I was like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, I know that. I put the parking brake on, you know, I'm thinking I'm not going to be the first one.
::Steve Musick
Far away from that accelerator.
::Steve Musick
n and I and I don't move. And: ::Steve Musick
the trucks put their car in gear and they go through the intersection, and I followed. I didn't get very far, pulled off on the side of the road and, and and I heard two messages.
::Steve Musick
The first one was, I could bring you back to heaven in a heartbeat.
::Steve Musick
Yes, sir. I totally get that. And the second one is
::Steve Musick
get serious about telling your story,
::Steve Musick
because up to that point in time, we're both introverts. We. You know, I doing this is hard. And so we just served for, for almost 40 years. We just served 30 years.
::Steve Musick
We just served as people crossed our paths, we serve them. We cared for them. We loved them. We experienced heaven with them. We've trained people on how you do this. And so and that's what we thought we were supposed to do one by one, by one by one. Couple. The couple, well, get serious about telling your story is a totally different deal.
::Steve Musick
So
::Steve Musick
we worked hard and we wrote a book which got published and we've now been in a place where there are four developments that have us sort of, questioning. One is we're seeing more of heaven, more bubbles of heaven now than we ever have. Two the bubbles last longer than they used to, and they're now including crowds of people, not just one to 1 to 1.
::Steve Musick
And that's a surprise to us. It's like, oh my God. Yeah.
::Steve Musick
Hollywood got a hold of our story and produced a documentary which is now being shown from coast to coast and winning awards. Yeah. On inspiration, people send us messages and they go, oh my gosh. You know, you know, we, we would like to know more.
::Steve Musick
And then the third thing is that there's a fourth thing, there's a, there's a feature film under way and there's a part of me that says, well, okay, you're getting serious about telling your story means that you would you would tell that in theaters and people would go to go to theaters. And the whole the whole film thing is a story about our life where we take people literally, a roller coaster ride through our lives.
::Steve Musick
Takes.
::Steve Musick
Takes.
::Steve Musick
Yes.
::Steve Musick
Experiencing their own bubbles of the kingdom of heaven as they go.
::Steve Musick
Yeah.
::Steve Musick
And they realize, oh my gosh, this is this, this is possible. This can happen. And when you increase possibility, you ignite the opportunity to father to step in and say, I'm the author and perfector.
::Steve Musick
I'm the one who's doing this.
::Steve Musick
Yeah.
::Steve Musick
Pay attention.
::Steve Musick
Yeah.
::Steve Musick
this weekend.
::Steve Musick
Oh.
::Steve Musick
Yeah.
::Steve Musick
Literally, when you're talking
::Steve Musick
pop fragile.
::Steve Musick
They don't.
::Steve Musick
Laughs. And
::Steve Musick
and being in a place where you're open and prepared and ready. Yeah. And you live life that way. Yeah.
::Elaine Musick
I worked in hospital, and, was there during. During Covid, which was the most awful and in some ways, the most wonderful experience. So I had a little lady. She was in her 80s. I can picture her right now. And she does the sweetest thing. And she was having a tough time. She wasn't at the point where she was on a ventilator or anything, but she was there with Covid and she was having difficulty breathing.
::Elaine Musick
And, so I had done what I needed to do with her. And she said, would you pray with me? And I said, well, of course. And so I closed the door and we prayed. And she said, you know, all I really want, I want to be able to please. And I said, okay, well, let's pray and we'll see what God knows about that.
::Elaine Musick
Just the sweetest moment was, sweet for her, and it was sweet for me at the same time. So next day I thought, I'm going to go back and see her. She passed away that night. In between our time together and that, that next morning. And I thought, you know, it was it was a crazy busy time and it would have been easy for me to say, you know, I'll come back in there or whatever, but, you know, it took, what, four minutes of my time, something like that.
::Elaine Musick
And my first thought was, well, she got her prayer. She can now breathe again. Yeah. And it was just it was just it was a holy moment.
::Steve Musick
saying, you know, busy.
::Elaine Musick
Right.
::Steve Musick
Beautiful
::Elaine Musick
Absolutely.
::Elaine Musick
That was one of the things when I was saying Covid was one of the worst things, for obvious reasons. And also some of the some of the best in terms of those kinds of things. And, and my relationship with my teammates and everybody else in the hospital. It was a difficult time. And I, I tell you, there were some special, special moments out of that.
::Elaine Musick
So God will use anything.
::Steve Musick
I ran a financial advisory practice for years and years and years private independent, startup. And we ran it for 45 years. And I sold it to family and the employees
::Steve Musick
and,
::Steve Musick
I'm winning a bid to manage a pension fund for the ironworkers, and it's a big deal, because if we win, we're in a place where we now can compete on a totally different platform.
::Steve Musick
It's a big deal for a company. And with a lot of money back then. So I again, I have a dream one night and I'm at a because we make the finals and we're up against, you know, Wall Street firms and a big bank and we're a little bitty financial, the big players, you know the Goliath's in the room.
::Steve Musick
And here we're David and and I'm praying I'm going, how do I compete there? How do I and I end the dream? It's like home field advantage. Home field advantage make it a relationship.
::Steve Musick
And everything we do is relational. So
::Steve Musick
my presentation to the board. I said, okay, I will do the work.
::Steve Musick
Here's here's what we'll do, here's how we do this. And I want a union card, and I want to represent the, the members of the of Ironworkers Union. And I want to be able to be in such good standing there that we manage money where I can go to the local pub and buy around for the guys that work.
::Steve Musick
The high steel.
::Steve Musick
you hire me, that's what you get. And two days later the board calls and says, well, you won.
::Steve Musick
And I'm thinking, yes, yeah, oh, personally, that's a great thing.
::Steve Musick
And they said, but there are a couple of conditions to it. We'll talk next week. So we meet and he says, well, we want to hire you to do the financial stuff, but we won't give you a union card and you don't have any access at all to the union members.
::Steve Musick
In a bubble of the kingdom of heaven, I said, then we can't take the work.
::Steve Musick
That was a conditionality of the engagement.
::Steve Musick
And our company works on gain sharing. So every quarter we divvy it up and the profits of the company go to management and and everybody on staff gets a bonus check every quarter.
::Steve Musick
The whole
::Steve Musick
Check the whole. And I met with the team and I said, I said I had to say no to that. And we lost some key staff people out of that. They thought, you, this religious guy, is out of his mind. You turn down that kind of opportunity. Three years later, on the front page of the Rocky Mountain News, are members of the board on the courthouse steps in handcuffs for embezzling funds from the pension fund.
::Steve Musick
It would have ended our company. We would have been dead.
::Steve Musick
Moment? Absolutely
::Steve Musick
Yeah. And
::Steve Musick
you know, I get a call from one of my partners who is in Cleveland, Ohio, and he said, man, it's a good thing you're in Denver, Colorado. He said, if you're in Cleveland, they'd be in a foundation somewhere. You know,
::Steve Musick
he said they wouldn't. They wouldn't take them to court. They would just kill him, you know?
::Steve Musick
And I said, God protected us. I said, you know, there are now 18 people that still have jobs that would not have added now. We would have never taken the money because they were paying the financial people under the table. We wouldn't have done that. But you get painted with a broad brush there.
::Steve Musick
And there's there's an element which says, who owns your company? Do I own your company or do you own your company? Do you march to the beat of my drum, or do you march to the beat of.
::Elaine Musick
It's
::Steve Musick
one stop and go back to. But
::Steve Musick
Yeah.
::Elaine Musick
Right.
::Steve Musick
It's a relationship.
::Steve Musick
Yeah.
::Steve Musick
And what we've learned is that the kingdom of heaven is closer than we think, and everyone can experience it repeatedly and should. And therefore we look for opportunities where that would occur. And what we've discovered is almost all of that brings relationship.
::Steve Musick
And that's where the father lives. You know, we've we've gone so far as to say
::Steve Musick
going to redefine family. It's not mother, father, sister, brother, lineal descendants, it's who are doing the will of my father, who are people that I've placed in your in your proximity.
::Steve Musick
So we've converted our neighborhood into a family, and we give it that kind of language where we care for our, our neighbors in a holy way.
::Steve Musick
And we wait for the question because people always ask the question, why do you do this?
::Steve Musick
I mean, this is not like anything we've experienced in our lives. Why do you do this?
::Steve Musick
When they ask that question. Have an answer and the answer is, well, heaven is close.
::Steve Musick
Yeah. And
::Steve Musick
Yes.
::Steve Musick
Very practical.
::Elaine Musick
that's right down here in the back.
::Steve Musick
And heaven is expanding.
::Steve Musick
Inexorably expanding. And we're part of that expansion.
::Steve Musick
We're not driving it through religion. We're driving it through relationship. And every opportunity, every corner turned were available.
::Steve Musick
And,
::Steve Musick
the media and our marketplace would say that things are chaotic and it seems like there's so much going on now that nobody's in charge. Trust me, there's somebody absolutely in charge.
::Steve Musick
And it's important to have a relationship with them. And
::Steve Musick
the impetus on the other side of that very thin veil is stronger now than it's ever been.
::Steve Musick
because it's expanding. It's growing. And
::Steve Musick
we think we might be on to something. And the Hollywood guys love the idea.
::Steve Musick
I can't either
::Steve Musick
it's hard making movies today is really, really challenging. But, we're not in charge of when it gets into theaters. That's up to the father. Yeah, we're here doing what we can.
::Steve Musick
is
::Elaine Musick
great.
::Steve Musick
Yeah.
::Steve Musick
Yeah.
::Steve Musick
And
::Steve Musick
Oh, they
::Steve Musick
some ways, you don't have
::Steve Musick
Oh cool.
::Elaine Musick
Yes! I get your
::Steve Musick
Paper. It's hard.
::Steve Musick
It's it is really.
::Steve Musick
No, it's a challenge you.
::Steve Musick
Can't wait to see.
::Steve Musick
As a result of everything that's happened, we've created an electronic presence called the Soul Road maps.com. The Soul Road maps.
::Steve Musick
World.
::Steve Musick
Maps, plural.com.
::Steve Musick
with all the attention that getting serious about telling our story as generated some incredible attention. And it it's irresponsible to generate attention without having the resource. So we want to drive people to a place where they can create their own soul road map.
::Steve Musick
And then once they create their own soul Road map, we help them figure out how to drive on it.
::Steve Musick
And so we invite them to an event in Denver for a long weekend, kind of like a, you know, Christian marriage encounter. But it's, learn how to drive on your own soul road map.
::Steve Musick
And it's very practical.
::Steve Musick
Very.
::Steve Musick
Very practical
::Elaine Musick
stuff. There's different categories. It's financial, they're spiritual. There's family. There's all these different things that are
::Steve Musick
are very work,
::Elaine Musick
very, practical things that you can. You can get ideas. Okay. This is how I can implement this in my life. And then, you know, so one thing builds on another and another.
::Steve Musick
It's very simple.
::Steve Musick
That wouldn't surprise me
::Steve Musick
Yeah.
::Elaine Musick
Steve will tell you that's my favorite word is
::Steve Musick
the practical piece of it. Yeah. He laughs at.
::Steve Musick
Me. Yeah. Yeah a.
::Steve Musick
Lot but.
::Steve Musick
But I like that.
::Steve Musick
Yeah.
::Steve Musick
So I'd like to close our, our second chapter with something that just happened,
::Steve Musick
which is,
::Steve Musick
is a perfect capstone. We're, we're, we did a, we did a documentary film and it's been entered in film festivals all over. So we got invited personally to, show our film and be available. And so the director of the film festival came up to me about halfway through the festival and he goes, there's, there's a woman here.
::Steve Musick
She's in the lobby, she wants to talk to you.
::Steve Musick
we're right in the middle of the festival. And I said, well, okay. I said, when we get to the break, I said, I'll go get a cup of coffee and I'll go there because now you said you ought to go see her first and then get your coffee.
::Steve Musick
I'm thinking, oh, something's up. Well, I get to the lobby and this lady makes a beeline for me,
::Steve Musick
and she's standing, invades my space. But she's standing real close to me, and she says, I just want you to know that you saved my life.
::Steve Musick
And that's what I went. I went, okay, you got my full attention. Yeah.
::Steve Musick
and she said, I have an 18 year old daughter who was kidnaped and murdered, and they took two years to find the perpetrator. And he's now in Canyon City, Colorado, in supermax. And she said, I've been angry, vengeful, upset. How could a good God do that?
::Steve Musick
She said, and then I read your book, and when I found out you were going to be here at this documentary, she said, I came, she said, and now that you've seen the documentary, she said, even more so, she said, and it totally release me of my anger and my vengeful and my hate for the guy and at God, for how could you do this to my 18 year old daughter, who's an angel with skin and released me from that?
::Steve Musick
And she said, can I give you a hug
::Steve Musick
now? I've been hugged before,
::Steve Musick
but this girl, she she oh she squeezes.
::Steve Musick
she hugged me so strong and for so long that everybody in the lobby was crying by the time we were done. And that's one of those the bubble lasted for minutes, and when we're finally done, she looks at me.
::Steve Musick
She says, what courage it took for you to write the book the way you did it, for you to put your life story on film for me.
::Steve Musick
she said. It saved my life. I'm a totally different person now. That's the story. You know, the fact that you, you you died in a medical thing and you went to heaven.
::Steve Musick
You spent five weeks with Jesus, and then you come back and you get healed, and you experience heaven over and over and over again. The message she got, the message. She got the story. She said, that's a bubble of the kingdom of heaven. And I got it, I get it, and I'm alive now because of it. And, I'm going to fill my coffee cup in the lobby and I'm thinking that's that's why we do what we do.
::Steve Musick
You know,
::Steve Musick
as an author, a writer, a filmmaker. That's why you do what you do. Change lives. Yeah,
::Steve Musick
And I think that's possible.
::Steve Musick
Yeah. Yes. Amen.
::Steve Musick
Amen, Amen.
::Steve Musick
prayer for him
::Steve Musick
thin veil,
::Steve Musick
it's thinner than we
::Elaine Musick
No. I don't think you missed anything. But I think the word that you just said. Taste of something. You know, it's kind of like if you taste something and it's really good, and it's like, oh, I want more. I want more of that. That other stuff, you know, that's artificial. This I want more of. And that's what it is.
::Elaine Musick
It's like it's all I want. It's all I want.
::Steve Musick
And I would, I would close with love and compassion drives and fuels this.
::Steve Musick
Heavenly love, godly compassion. Interested in the lives of people here.
::Steve Musick
That's what drives it.
::Steve Musick
Well. Amen.
::Steve Musick
that,
::Elaine Musick
Not
::Steve Musick
Yours? Yeah. For myself. So, see,
::Elaine Musick
I already know it. He
::Steve Musick
we.
::Steve Musick
No it's not. Yeah.
::Steve Musick
Oh. And even I
::Elaine Musick
can even I can tell you what. You're right.
::Steve Musick
Yeah, yeah,
::Steve Musick
I'm an expert fly fisherman.
::Steve Musick
I'm a voracious reader.
::Steve Musick
Okay.
::Steve Musick
And I have a Facebook page.
::Steve Musick
Yeah, true.
::Steve Musick
Dyed in the wool.
::Steve Musick
Okay.
::Steve Musick
reader.
::Steve Musick
Voracious.
::Steve Musick
Yep, I am, I.
::Steve Musick
Got a two for.
::Steve Musick
Two for two for two. She's perfect. Score.
::Steve Musick
No Facebook.
::Steve Musick
Yeah. Get get that lottery ticket. Go on there. Scratch and win.
::Steve Musick
Yes!
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Oh, great.
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Yes.
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before I go to
::Steve Musick
I
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I.
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Amen.
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Experienced
::Elaine Musick
So don't miss what you get today.
::Steve Musick
that's right.
::Elaine Musick
Yeah.
::Elaine Musick
Thanks. Thanks
::Steve Musick
for him.
::Steve Musick
Thank you.
::Steve Musick
And
::Host
This is one interview I am confident I will never forget. Stephen. Elaine, continue to show what it means to bring heaven to earth. One bubble of heaven at a time. We hope you enjoyed this two part episode. And if so, please comment or send us a message of your favorite part. And remember, heaven is a lot closer than we think.
::Host
We just have to choose to look for it. See you next time! Have a blessed week.
