SECRETS TO SUCCESS: Having Positivity in your Lowest Moments | Ep. 69 with NCAA Athlete Lee Melchionni
There will always be bad games and off days for any player or individual. However, hard work never takes a day off and beats talent any day of the week. It also proves your ability to want to succeed in life by winning on and off the court.
This week, former NCAA Duke basketball star, Lee Melchionni, is on the No Grey Areas Podcast. He shares his experiences at one of the most prestigious schools in the country as a top-tiered athlete. He also shares the lifelong messages he still cherishes in his everyday life from his team and coaches.
You won’t want to miss Lee’s secrets to success and tips on successfully growing through the low-ball moments life throws at you.
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Transcript
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If you're a sports fan, and even if you're not, you're going to love this. Join us now.
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Lee Melchior, only, thank you so much for being on the No Gray Areas podcast. I
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am so excited about this interview, partly because I've been a basketball fan. I played basketball. Not at your level is our audience is going to hear here, but I've always been a basketball fan
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and when you and I talked about a month ago on the phone, Li, I admitted to you that if someone asked me who I cheered for in college basketball, I said, Anyone playing Duke.
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And that was that was. And Li, by the way, for our audience, he played at
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correct?
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Yeah.
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But I told you on the phone that as I get older, I realize that some of the teams, coaches, players that I used to cheer against you just can't help having a tremendous amount of respect for them.
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So SHESKEY Coach K, as you guys probably referred to him, he's one of those and
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I cheered against Duke mostly, mainly because I had a childhood friend that was an annoying Duke fan. So I, I have great respect. So let's back up a little bit. We're going to talk about all kinds of interesting things today, but I want to back up a little bit.
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Get your your background. So where did you grow up, Lee
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Sure. I grew up right outside of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and I guess would be considered a small town, Lancaster, which is associated with Amish people, I guess would be when you say that to the general public that. So I guess that's where I wish people are. Right? So
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you grow up around the Amish? Like that was something you typically saw. You're driving down the road and
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yeah not not around. Right. Once in a blue moon, a horse and buggy would go down the street I lived on, but you would more see them.
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There's a great famous long standing market that runs downtown Lancaster. And then obviously, when you get out in the country, the farms and a lot of the food that you eat locally from like in Lancaster is from Amish farms. But you know, they're also
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incredibly set on some of the most hardest working people you're ever meet. Right. Like they get up sunrises and sunsets.
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They don't have electricity. And so I also growing up, I found it, you know, some odd lifestyle, but had a tremendous amount of respect for the way they live.
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Yeah. Yeah, I imagine so. Ah, just really quick. Are you a Philly fan, then? The Phillies,
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Yes. So. So it might be surprising. I love the Philadelphia Eagles. Love them. I really like the Philadelphia Phillies. And then, you know, the other the other Philadelphia sports teams. I don't, you know, kind of indifferent. And I. Right. I mean, I love, you know, obviously root for the Sixers. The fliers kind of grew up in the age where was more of a fan of players than NBA teams.
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That makes sense.
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So were you focus on basketball growing up or did you play multiple sports and basketball's kind of where you landed in your high school years And
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yeah. So I grew up playing pretty much everything we love. Not playing baseball, soccer and basketball. Never, never play tackle football. Never. We didn't have lacrosse in Lancaster when I grew up, but I played soccer through my sophomore year of high school, and I actually thought I was going to play soccer in high school at one point.
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But I had a very good summer circuit from an age standpoint, and then it had this Adidas ABCD camp where I got a significant number of scholarship offers after my sophomore year and at that point just made the decision to focus on basketball.
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Yeah. So why Duke, why did you pick that? Because you got you said a number of offers.
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Sure. So I took the proverbial blue pill from a very young age, so my father played basketball to my sister.
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That time. She was two years ahead of me. Was I was a sophomore at Duke when I was being recruited. And so from the time I can remember. Unlike you, I love Duke grown up, and it was a dream of mine to go play there. So, you know, basically, I said, if Duke recruited me at all, I was going to go there.
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And that's fulfilled a dream of mine. But standing there and playing basketball.
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know, I almost want to apologize for not again.
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It was because I'm. I give a shout out right now as my childhood friend named Jason. He was an annoying Duke fan. But when I look back ago, I wish I could go back and just soak up the respect in awe of a coach that did what
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Yeah. You don't need you need to apologize. Right. I think
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our life there are teams that are polarizing. And why are they polarizing? Because they win. Right. No one cares. No one has an opinion about the teams that lose all the time. Right. But the Yankees, the Dallas Cowboys, the Pittsburgh Steelers, Duke. You go on and off.
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Pick your support. You know, previous years, UCLA, USC, Texas football either hate them or, you love them. There's no in between. And I would always have you know, you always got to say I'm smart to say which I mean, I hate to think, you know, I,
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I could see you'd be upset if you couldn't get into the school.
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That would upset me, too. So which usually further enrages people, but just.
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yeah, that's good. That's good. So tell me your best moment and your worst moment in those years that you played for Coach K
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Sure. So being at Duke, I remember this funny story. Not funny story. My freshman year in practice before the season starts and the it's coaches, it's a coach's clinic. So coaches come from all over the country and high school made me the high school coaches to hear Coach K conduct practice over the course of the weekend.
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So we would do like it's Friday Saturday we do two days and then have another practice on Sunday. So he's a microphone on. That's obviously everyone in Cameron can hear what he's saying. He's miked up. We're doing a drill where I'm on the perimeter, we're feeding the post. So no one is guarding me, but there's a post defender and I remember I throw a post pass and the defender intercepted.
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He's like, Lay there. What the heck are you doing? So like, how are you going to turn the ball over with no defense. You're the worst player recruit in five years, son. And I you know, you're 18, 19 years old. And I just remember,
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you know, all these coaches can hear this. He's miked up. And I just slinked to the back of the line, Pat, just wishing I could be invisible, you know?
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And there's there's lots of that with with my teammates. You you can't you joke about these things that you went through together and they bonds you.
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But that's that's what you're just like, oh, man, that was rough.
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Isn't that true, though, what you're saying? And that's where the camaraderie in sports or for first responders or military, you're in the trenches together in a sense, and there's a bonding that takes place, right?
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Like you went through this crap together.
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couldn't agree more. And you never want to compare sports to things you just said, like war or first responders or actual matters of life and death.
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But when you go through incredibly stressful situations where you're pushing yourself to mentally and physically to limits that you're probably not capable of unless someone else is pushing you there, Yeah, you create a lifelong bond with someone that you know, whether drive and talk to a teammate in six months or a year when I see them or talk to them.
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It's like we spoke yesterday because of what you went through. And that's to your point, a bond will always have
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yeah, for sure. What about a highlight? What was one of your high moments, your favorite moments from those years You play for Coach
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I mean, we have so
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you're a part of so many great moments and victories, I would say if even we went to three Sweet Sixteens and one final for myself more year. I think we were deserving of winning the national championship.
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We went to the Final Four and lost to UConn. Unfortunately, the semifinals. We went on to win a national title. But I think you know, that experience as a as a collegiate basketball player, we won in Atlanta where I where I live now in the Georgia Dome beat examiner to go on to the final two. I think that
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I really didn't play that much at all.
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But it was it's an incredible memory to be a part of something like that.
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mean, for all of us when you say you didn't play, but again,
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someone like me didn't make it to the level that you did.
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I still just would love to feel that vibe When you walk out on the floor in a Final Four game, that's got to be something you'll never forget.
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Yeah. The at that time I don't even know if it still exists was the at the Alamodome in San Antonio and you know, there's 60 or 70,000 people there to watch a basketball game. And, you know, this was my sophomore year. And honestly, I use that as motivation to go into my junior year to to make sure I was on the court.
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So but it was just experience, something like that where the number of teams that play basketball in the NCAA come down to you're one of the Final Four, something you always remember.
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yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, I read an article that was written about you about a year ago or something, and you mentioned in there for things that you really took away from your time at Duke with the Blue Devils Coach K, You talked about attention to detail, work ethic, teamwork, and relentless positivity.
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Speaking of those, a little bit, like how has that helped set you up for life? Like some people would look at it and go, You played basketball for four years.
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Yeah,
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Yeah. When you go through something like that,
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your college experience is obviously different, right? You have school and then you have basketball, which is basically a full time job.
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But you something I still play to this day for free. And when you talk about attention to detail, you know, it's okay. We beat a team by 15. You think that that's great, We kick their ass, right? But you watch tape and you look at you know, my new details of an angle you had on a screen or defensive rotation that you missed, things that you could have done better where you're constantly trying to improve, You're not satisfied.
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I think, you know, if you take that that level of detail and accountability into your job, you know, into being a father, whatever it is, it's a lifelong lesson for you, right?
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Absolutely.
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Yeah,
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right. I think similar to you, you growing up, you watched Duke and you think, you know, all they do is win, right? And you came to Duke as a top 100 rated high school player.
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And I thought, okay, I'm going to go to Duke. I want to play right there. You know, you see, they win every game. And I think after arriving there, you realize the amount of work that goes into like the unseen hours, right? The time in the gym conditioning, whether it's wearing sprints on the court, on the track, getting stronger with your body, and then your time in the gym, just working on your game and playing and those things, I think I'm sure we'll talk more about it, but I think you find a life the harder you work, you know, the more the more luck or success you have
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right?
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yeah. I think being apart, whether you're working at a company or you're you're doing something on your own, staying on your own, you're never doing it alone. I think you find that you need people around you. We all have strengths, we all have weaknesses, and you need people to help you in your areas of weakness. And I think the big thing at Duke was being a part of something bigger than yourself.
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So checking your ego at the door right. If if if you're telling me that to help Duke win a game, I need to sit on the bench and cheer hard. I'll do that. Right? Very hard. You want to get out there and play you know that's analogous to a job you're telling me. For us to be successful at this company, I need to clean the toilets, and that's what I'll do.
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You can call me the head opener, and I think, you know, just just checking your ego out the door and realizing, you know, in the grand scheme of things in life, how and this may sound harsh, but how unimportant you are, right? You know, you want to be a part of something bigger than yourself. And,
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you know, reminding yourself that you do whatever it takes to achieve the goal of the team, not your individual.
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I love that you're bringing that point up because I remember one of the one of the lowest points in my life.
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I won't go into what happened, but I remember I took a long drive out in the desert and I got on my car and it was a clear night. And if you've ever been in the desert or our audience over in the desert, there's a lot of stars up there when you're out of the city lights. And I looked up and I realized how small I was in the in the in the expanse of the universe.
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And then I started thinking, historically, who's Pat McCullough in the expanse of human history?
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You know, it's almost like a dichotomy. We have to believe both that there's something special about us, but there's
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I couldn't agree more with you, Pat. You have to have a sense of self, a sense of ego, right? To accomplish things. You don't want to be a wallflower or that. But
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I agree with you. We knew when you took a look up at the stars at night, we'll look at how old our planet is and if we live for 100 years, you think that's a long time?
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You realize how insignificant you are. It's such a dichotomy, like you said. But it's,
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you know, sometimes you need those reminders to take, Hey, man, one foot in front of the other. Keep doing what you're doing.
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yeah, for sure. And we live in a culture, I think, that
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loves the stars as I think humanity has always done that.
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But our culture, I think especially we always like to point out if there's a company that doing well, we're going to, we're going to give one man and one woman the credit. There's a team doing well. We like to point out to one man, one woman, and it always, always would go back to team, doesn't it? Like you can not going to see anything great that's ever been done.
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And yes, there was a leader, maybe there was the star player or whatever, but there's going to be a team involved.
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it sounds like this. One of the things that that Coach K really tried
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Yeah. You know, people you talk about
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people that we you know, other than the royalty, right. Or the British monarchy, you're born into it.
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Everyone has a story behind someone that inspired them as a child, a teacher, a coach, a parent. You can't an uncle. And then, you know, as they rise through the ranks, someone, a mentor, but you never go it alone or a strong team around. And I think you make a great point there that I couldn't agree more.
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the fourth one that you mentioned, this article I loved and I'd love for you to get to dig in a little bit Relentless positivity.
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know,
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I think I've always been
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my natural disposition is to be positive.
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Right. And I think that whining, complaining, I just cannot stand it to me because it's it's just a waste of energy, all that. And so I think, you know, for relentless positivity, it's normal. We're all going to get down, you know, you're going to have negative thoughts, you're going to have your mind wander, you're going have stresses, you're going to have anxiety.
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But I think when you kind of take a step back and I always remind myself, you know, how how blessed I am, right? I'm healthy to the people I love. My family around me are healthy and happy. And that's what really matters. At the end of the day. And you're going to have situations in life that are difficult.
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But I've always found that that I've grown and learned the most from situations where you're difficult, you lose, you get your ass kicked versus winning.
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I think that holds true.
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Don't you think that's one of the things that sports and it doesn't you don't have to get to your level to be Division one junior high high school if you did play college professionals.
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But one of the things that sports teaches us is exactly what you're saying or it can teach us if we if we choose to learn that lesson is you lose on Friday and you go home and you can't sleep because you're thinking of all the things you did wrong. But then you've got to get up the next day and you got another game
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right and you learn how you have to You have to flip that switch.
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Exactly. You know, so it's whether it's another game, Pat, to move on or it's preparation for the next game in terms of you know what
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that guy force me left all day.
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I couldn't go there after he was faster, stronger. I need to figure out a way to to improve or work on my game or my skills through my technical ability. And I couldn't agree more with you in that you're waiting all the time you think you're doing great, which when you lose is when you go, you know, you go back to the drawing board and need to strengthen areas of weakness.
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So when you had I'm assuming not just in your your, your days playing, but even when we move outside of that, you know, you went on to be a player agent and now you actually lead a firm in Atlanta called Justice Partners.
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In your personal life. You had some low moments. How how in your lowest moments, how do you choose or what are some things that you do to choose to to have that relentless positivity?
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Because it's you know, when you're down, you're down.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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so what are things that you found in your life that worked for you
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in those low moments to move toward that relentless positivity?
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Sure. So I've always found it
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to be an outside in nature. That helped me clear my head when you talked about driving in the desert. But I love to work out. I love to get a sweat in. And so whether it's outside, whether it's playing hoops, it's a workout, going for a walk, whatever it is, I think helps you to ground yourself, you know, clear your head a bit.
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And then, you know, as I said before, just one foot in front, the other, realizing that, yeah, tough times. It's not always going to be so tough and great times are always going to last. Right? One day at a time, one foot in front of the other and
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dealing with the issues at hand to come to a resolution.
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Yeah. Yeah, man, I love what you just said, because the older I get, I don't know that I really understood this in my twenties so much, but the older I get and I'm way past my twenties, I really resonate with what you just said, where now when I'm in a time where I'm kind of on that mountaintop experience, it's not a depressing thought, but I just tell myself,
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Yeah,
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it's part of life. And I agree with you that, you know,
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life is not all puppy dogs and ice cream. And to your point, everything is fleeting. Great times. They'll last forever, and bad times don't either. And, you know, I'd say you enjoy both, but hopefully you have a lot more good times and bad.
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Yeah. Well, so you leave, Duke. You went over and you played for a year, right?
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Yes. Yep.
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Sure.
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So I was an agent for about seven years, so when I stopped playing in Italy, moved to L.A., worked for Mentor, and a lot of guys really started the agent industry
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out there.
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Italy was an amazing experience, but like all things passion, youth is wasted on the right to experience a culture. You know, the country, food, language, the people was an amazing experience.
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But being able to travel to different areas around Europe, but
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Sure. But I have no regrets. Right. Go back and started my career and,
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you know, still grateful for the experience that I had. There was an incredible experience,
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Well, I hear what you're saying is that if you could go back and relive that, you would soak up knowing that, Hey, I'm not going to be forever. I got this year or two years and I'm going to really soak up the culture and the.
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correct? Correct. I think, you know,
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having the opportunity play basketball would afford me time off in the summers. Right. And, you know, when you get it, when you start your career, you realize, yeah, you don't get three months off.
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So so that looking back then when you when you say to yourself, oh, I'm in a hurry, I'm in a hurry to to start my professional career in terms of, you know, ending my athletic career. To me now we tell myself, Hey, man, that's not going anywhere, right? You take three years, you'll travel around Europe, experience this in your downtime, because when you when you do start working,
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you don't have the time to do that.
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So I started. But that's that's life right back to
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is. I those are life lessons that you learn, which I think is part of it. So for you younger people listening to this podcast, that's part of the wisdom of youth is to listen to us that are maybe a little further along and, and pay attention to what we're saying because I have the same experience with you.
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Different. But my wife and I, we got married, we moved to Chicago, and all I did for four years was talk about how I wanted to get back to where we're from, which is beautiful western Montana.
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right
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right
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sounds a little bit like that. Was your experience in Italy where you
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Yeah I think you know to
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to just appreciate you know be present in the moment and not going to that wasn't present. I have incredible memories of friends are still in touch with from that time but you know man when the season ended it's I couldn't wait to get on the plane back back in the states.
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So what are you doing now? So you lead a firm in Atlanta called Justice Partners. What exactly is that?
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Yeah So basically can't wait to put it in a nutshell high leverage. I'm an attorney
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but I don't necessarily not in court not taking depositions, not participating in litigations, but I leverage my law license to participate in different business transactions. Essentially. And that Justice Partners is a fund model that we've used to participate in different litigations. And then it's kind of expanded from there.
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Okay, so now, understanding some of this background, I want to give you a I'm going to give you four statements,
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of these, you may disagree with some of these. So tell me whether you agree or disagree and why or why not.
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First statements will often hear he or she was an overnight success.
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I could not disagree more. Right. And I'm sure you've seen the the quotes where you have the person who grinds and toils away in silence or in the shadows, and then all of a sudden they have their success or their company hits whatever it is and everyone knows them and they think that, oh, wow, this just this just happened overnight to them.
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But no one understands the probably years and thousands of hours that went into not even a culminating moment there, but just the, you know, reaching that point where people know that more, you know, the success however you define it. So
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disagree with that statement strongly,
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I figured you would, because some of the articles that I've read about you and some of the things that you said over the years, I figured you would.
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And I'm with you. I completely disagree with that. And again, I don't know why we live in a in a culture, not everyone. But so often we try to twist or turn things into it being or appearing to be an overnight success. And I think you're right. If you look and you dig into it, you will always find a story of someone who is relentlessly pursuing this goal and went through a lot of hard work
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in the shadows, as you said.
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correct? Correct. And very
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about this one? Do you agree or disagree? Why or why not? We have little to no control over our future or our destiny.
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so back to kind of our point about how small we are in this universe on Earth.
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And in time, you know, and I don't know if if you and your wife had children, but my wife and I have children. And I think sometimes you get congratulations from her. So I think sometimes in your head, thoughts can creep in about, you know, and as you get older, you hear about friends or parents of friends, you know, growing up who have medical issues or things happen.
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I think that's kind of your question, your own mortality. And so things that that are out of your control. But as far as your your future and your destiny and things that you can you can put yourself in a position of your life to be successful, whatever it is, your passions is work through what you do after work.
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So I believe that you control your own destiny. In that past.
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I almost hear you saying there's a little bit of both, though, right?
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I do. I think that
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there are I think, you know, I think we can all look back at chance meetings where you
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went to something. You talked to someone in the Met led to you, whether it be a job or going somewhere, doing something or meeting your wife.
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And so I think there is so some chance in the universe. But you know, as far as when you talk about I'm sure you've heard the quote, the luck is when hard work meets preparation
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and it's right. And I think that,
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yeah, we talk, but there's always going to be crazy stuff that happens you can't control. But I think, you know, I think let's be honest here, people in this podcast and we don't know any super lazy people who really define a successful night, whether it's with the family or at their job.
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So I think you you get out what you put in and then you deserve what you get out
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I can't go back in all the decades I've lived. And think of anybody who I've met who's successful in whatever field they're in. That's lazy.
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right?
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Right.
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All right. How about this next one? You agree or disagree?
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Why or why not? You get what you work for, not what you wish for.
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I couldn't agree more. You know, I think we all wish to win the lottery or something like that. But what I've always found that anything worth having, you know, are difficult is is those are the things that I find the most joy in.
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It is it's the journey. It's not the destination. And I'm sure you've had accomplishments in your life where it's the chase you're going after this goal, and then once you actually achieve it, not that it has a emptiness or a hollowness to it, but to me I love the journey, the chase, the pursuit of it. And then. And then, yes, I think you said earlier you the work you put in is you what you get out of that is what you deserve.
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yeah. And I think that's. That's. It's so easy to sometimes you have your bucket list items or your items that you hope for a wish for. But I love sometimes being around those people that, well, they love to dream with you but then will say, So what are you doing to get there?
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It's back to my you know, I see why people complain or why okay, you can't stand your job or you're out of shape or this hurts or what are you doing to change it? You know, And it's if you're if you're making those changes or life changes, then by all means, please, I will help you this way.
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But you know, just to your point, you can dream, but what are you doing to make it a reality?
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Well, that's so well said. And it fits so perfectly with kind of the whole idea of our podcast where we talk about the power and complexity of human choice
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and the power of choice. Like we as human beings have been given the power to make a choice, and especially those of us that were were born in an area where we have a lot of privileges, right?
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We live in a first world country, not necessarily just trying to figure out where we're going to get our next meal. There's a lot of choices that we can make. And unfortunately, sometimes what we fall into is this idea of, well, it's it's just whatever happens to me, I can't really control it. I hear you saying clearly from the way you've lived your life and what you're saying you would completely disagree with that, that you should.
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There's
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tremendous amount of power that you have.
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Right.
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but you also want to recognize your your privilege to write. Being born in America to a two parent household, you're better than 99% of this world. Right? And then the the I am so grateful I'm West for the opportunities that I've had in my life.
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I know that others have, but I also know that I take advantage and I've worked my ass off to achieve
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as well.
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that's a perfect balance because you are grateful you do look at what you the privileges that you got. You know, again, I would say the same thing. I grew up in a I, I wouldn't say I was I wouldn't even say I was middle class. But I look back and I think of like the the work ethic and the character that was instilled in me from the coaches and the
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Right, Right. And how many people do we know? Like, I just like we just said that are lazy or have to take advantage of that. Yeah,
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I think that is focused. Maybe too simple, but I think that in average person with who is focused, disciplined, you know, relentless in their pursuit absolutely can become extraordinary in whatever their in their pursuit or goals or so.
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I think that is definitely one of those things. You know, I attribute that you need to to achieve at a high level
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Lee, man, I've really enjoyed our time today. We're going to finish with two truths and a lie, which is ironic, where I. No gray areas. I'm going to ask you to lie to me, but
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fits. It's a way for our audience to get to know you a little bit better. And I'm going to try to pick out your lie.
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But let me just say, I hope I really, really hope and I'm going to work toward making this hope a reality. But someday I'll be sitting with you at a Duke game
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so we can make that happen, that we can make that happen. Not a I know someone can make that happen. That's not the
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that's all I do. It's
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my two boys. So they're coming of age, they're, they're younger, so they're into it now.
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And so to, to share that with them, life is coming full circle. It's it's good for business to take people back. And then, you know, whenever I step back on campus, it's still kind of gives me goosebumps. It takes me back to to when I was that time. And, you know, I'll I'll almost 40. I still feel young in my mind, like I still remember moving into Summer Square.
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And I'm sure you have the same thing with certain
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you know, Hallmark or benchmark memories in your mind. So it's crazy, you know, Perfect. So
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And also my uncle Bill in his number is retired for Villanova basketball and the what is now Brooklyn Nets.
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Oh, those are good ones. You know the number When you said that? The first one I saw that play in my head.
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It's right it's probably you know top five cup ten U.S. sports moment that's basketball correct He catches it at the foul line third Grant Hill throw it of course I mean I love Duke growing up so I could I could I could probably recite the play call.
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So
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Okay. I was just doing my math really quick to make sure you were old enough to even be at that game. I'm going to say that's true just because I want that to be true.
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it is true. I was there. I mean, I still remember my dad lifting me up. So, yeah, it's awesome. I was there. It's incredible.
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that's true. And then I'm going to go with the charge. That's
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You're right.
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Yeah.
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No, I was just. I figured. I'm trying to. Yeah, I tried to go out with the. I didn't actually even play NBA Summer. Like, I figured you know, being a Duke guy, depending on how deep your research was, you might like.
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You know what? I could see that being true. He was a hustle guy. So I try to try to make you think, Yeah,
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You did. Well, hey, Leigh, thank you so much. Hope to meet you in person someday. Really, really appreciate you taking the time and the lessons. I think that you talked about our life lessons. We all need to apply. So appreciate you, my
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this was great, Pat. Thank you so much. I really enjoyed it.
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Lee and I spoke about a lot of life principles, and I would encourage you to choose just one of those. And focus on those for the next week for me. I'm going to take away living in the moment for this next week. I'm going to really focus on living in the moment. Make sure that you share with us your thoughts.
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