How to Get Unstuck and Start Living Out Your Purpose | Ep. 116 with Jeff Rasor

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Host

Today on the No Gray Areas podcast, we welcome Jeff Frazer, speaker, coach and founder of Core Heart. In this episode, we dive into the dangers of passive dreaming. The power of discovering your purpose, and how understanding your core values can transform every area of your life. Let's get started.

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Pat McCalla

Jeff Rasor, thank you so much for joining us on the No Gray Areas podcast. Our audience doesn't really know you

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Jeff Rasor

Sure.

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Pat McCalla

I'm going to just jump right in.

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Pat McCalla

We're going to come back, and I want get a little bit of background on you, but I want to just jump in and ask. Kind of a difficult question.

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Jeff Rasor

Sure.

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Pat McCalla

What's a hard lesson you learned firsthand and how is that shaped you?

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah, it's a great question, Pat. It's there are a lot of challenges we all face in life. But I think when you ask that question, the greatest kind of umbrella challenge that I've, I've actually faced many times, I wish I would have learned that lesson earlier, is to, have a dream but then not put action to it.

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Jeff Rasor

And so what I discovered, as I was processing and even writing my book a number of years ago, was, I felt like God showed me I was at times a passive dreamer. And when you passively dream, it's more like a wish or hope. And I think so many of us have dreams that God infused in our hearts and minds and, we hold them at a distance because they feel out of reach.

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Jeff Rasor

Or maybe that's not for me, or maybe that's just a selfish desire. But, when we hold them so far away that passive dreaming, rarely leads to any of them moving closer to reality for us. And so, as a child, I dreamed about being an Air Force pilot. I wanted to be a, you know, Air Force Thunderbird or Navy Blue Angel and had hoped to go to the Air Force Academy and one day ended up, you know, I'm in engineering school and college wondering, where did I miss that dream?

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Jeff Rasor

I, when visited the Air Force Academy, I did tours and never took steps to pursue it. And really, that shapes a lot of my story. And I've seen that unfortunately unfold a number of times where there's this dream, but there's this reluctance at times for us to actually pursue it and have that courage. And so, while there are the harder, more, challenging seasons of life, I think when we lose sight of those dreams and don't pursue them, it leaves us in a situation that can be, unhealthy, but also lead to despair and discouragement at times.

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Pat McCalla

And that's so good because I guarantee you, none of our audience striving right now or listening at home, myself, sitting on the other side of the table of you, from you, none of us are probably sitting there going like, yeah, that doesn't apply

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Jeff Rasor

to me. All my dreams. Sure.

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Pat McCalla

I went after him

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Jeff Rasor

right?

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Pat McCalla

pursued.

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Pat McCalla

I like no one's

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Jeff Rasor

doing right.

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Jeff Rasor

Right.

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Jeff Rasor

I'll have

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Pat McCalla

a part of our story is that how do you on this note, though, how do you differentiate between, a dream that because there's sometimes

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Pat McCalla

my daughter asked me this years

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Jeff Rasor

dad,

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Pat McCalla

why would God give you a dream? And then not allow you to achieve it?

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Pat McCalla

part of my answer to it back then was, I think some dreams were never meant to be achieved.

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Pat McCalla

run with

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

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Jeff Rasor

Phenomenal question. Not something I feel like, equipped to have all the answers to. I've found that, And rarely do I have the answers, but I love the search in pursuit of answers. And sometimes that leads us to so many things. And I think that's similar to dreaming that, there are sometimes that pursuit of the dream in this case, and from my own stories, you ask that question, I there's something about the blue sky.

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Jeff Rasor

I always dreamed about this, seeing these elite teams at high performance in in excellence and almost perfection. You know, to survive those speeds in coordination was something I thought I wanted to do the rest of my life. What I learned is that God's allowed me to do that with leaders in another format. So I help leaders and teams pursue all that God's put on their heart.

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Jeff Rasor

High achievement in a sense, in a different way. And I get to help people saw in the blue sky. So there's a perfect example where this dream I thought was all about the airplanes was all about being in the cockpit. And God's like, no, I'm going to rebuild your life in a way that's going to do that same thing in a different format.

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Jeff Rasor

And so I've been able to reconcile that difference I've had and achieve that dream. I've never I've never got my pilot's license. People ask you maybe someday, but I love what I get to do, and I think it's even more rich and fulfilling than even, well, I'd love to be in an F-18, that's for sure.

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Jeff Rasor

But what I get to do on a daily.

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Jeff Rasor

Basis is live out my calling, and it is in that blue sky in a different way. And so, that I just trust the pursuit of that dream sometimes leads us to something that's even better.

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Pat McCalla

Jeff, I love that so much. The pursuit of the dream. Because because you're right. And again, I think, our audience myself, I resonate with that. There were some dreams that, that, that I really had. And I pursued those dreams and didn't turn out quite like I

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Jeff Rasor

Sure,

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Pat McCalla

when I look back, I go, yeah, but it was pursuing them.

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

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Jeff Rasor

LED

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Pat McCalla

me in a direction where I'm glad I'm at today,

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

learning or maybe even led me through a difficult time. But

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Jeff Rasor

Sure.

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Pat McCalla

I go, gosh, I learned a lot in that

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

just before we keep

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Jeff Rasor

going. Sure.

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Pat McCalla

jump in here

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

top of my bucket list would be in the to be in the cockpit of one of those.

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Jeff Rasor

No question.

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Jeff Rasor

Your

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Pat McCalla

is in the Marine Corps right now, and he was working security

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Pat McCalla

at a base in just 2 or 3 days ago. I drove by

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Jeff Rasor

Okay.

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Pat McCalla

airshow there.

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Jeff Rasor

incredible.

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Pat McCalla

so

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Pat McCalla

you're watching those jets, you know, just

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Jeff Rasor

Yes.

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Pat McCalla

And I can't imagine

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah. It's, I I'll watch.

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Jeff Rasor

Reels, you know, on social media of of people who get a ride along in a jet. And I just my heart beats, you know, I'll still go to an airshow in Huntington Beach and tear up as they go. But the power, the excellence, the training, unless you're required to be in those, you know, in those seats, It's incredible.

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Jeff Rasor

So much. So inspiring.

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Pat McCalla

For sure. Well, going back to what you said, though, like you said, the pursuit of that though. So you you wrote a book, you have a podcast, you have a and I'm going to ask

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Jeff Rasor

sure

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Pat McCalla

can get connected

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Jeff Rasor

to you. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

but those are all tied. The title of all of those things are tied to

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Pat McCalla

Blue Sky

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah. Right. Absolutely.

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Jeff Rasor

It's

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Jeff Rasor

the working metaphor of my life. It's how I see the world, Pat, and how God gave me this ability to help people see. Hey, like like I was sharing with you off camera earlier. Like

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Jeff Rasor

every person, if you have a heartbeat, if you if you're here, there's a purpose for you being here. And I just believe I coined the phrase about 15 years ago called blue sky potential.

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Jeff Rasor

And I just believe every individual has this blue sky potential. And it's this idea of this unadorned, you know, it's like being a pilot, this unadulterated canopy of blue sky. It's three dimensional, it's unlimited. And when you can find why God put you here and who God really made you to be and live from that place and toward that place.

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Jeff Rasor

It doesn't mean there aren't challenges, but the sense of fulfillment and joy and impact that comes. That's that blue sky potential. And so that's that's been my working metaphor. That's why I do what I do every day with those I get to serve. And yeah, I love that.

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Pat McCalla

Well

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Pat McCalla

love that too because one of my favorite quotes and I somehow weave Braveheart into

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Jeff Rasor

him.

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Jeff Rasor

Yes, yes. Fair enough.

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Pat McCalla

But I love the great theologian William

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Jeff Rasor

Wallace.

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Jeff Rasor

Yes.

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Pat McCalla

At the end of the or near the end of the movie, when he says, every man dies, not every man really lives.

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Jeff Rasor

for sure.

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Pat McCalla

And that's a little bit what you're speaking to is there's a lot of people that that could be rolling through life and because you don't know your purpose and because

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Jeff Rasor

yeah, you

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Pat McCalla

just, you know, in some ways you're just existing.

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Pat McCalla

You go to work, you get a

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Jeff Rasor

sure,

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Pat McCalla

home, you pay your bills, you go to work, you get a paycheck, you come home, you pay your bills. And that's just kind of life for them.

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Jeff Rasor

Yes.

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Pat McCalla

you're saying, there's so much more than that.

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Jeff Rasor

There's so much more.

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Jeff Rasor

we never, very rarely, I should say we pursue the.

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Jeff Rasor

The little life.

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Jeff Rasor

Of just following the path of what everyone says we're supposed to do. We we pursue something we think we enjoy. It opens a door. We start doing something we feel like even for some, that's an answer to prayer. And then you look back after a number of years and realize, man, I've lost myself in this life has its challenges, work has its challenges.

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Jeff Rasor

And we just we hit these even high achievers, very successful people. You you think from the outside they look successful. They must have all they want. And you understand, man, something inside is still hungering for the more of what God has for them. And, that doesn't always mean more money, more cars, more houses, those kind of things.

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Jeff Rasor

Although those can be temporarily, you know, satisfying. There's often this, this heartbeat of like, man, there has to be more for the purpose of my life, what brings me meaning and fulfillment and allows me to live in that sense of impact, to the world around me. And, so, yeah, it is this journey of overcoming those things and, and how it what it looks like to actually break through on the way to that journey.

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Pat McCalla

So when you talk about meaning and impact because you were talking about there's things that come out of like really living with purpose and driving toward a goal or a dream and it can lead to more money, more cars. But it's bigger than that.

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Jeff Rasor

Sure.

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Pat McCalla

what do you mentioned like meaning

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

impact? What does that look like?

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Pat McCalla

What does that even mean? Like, let's say there's a listener right now going like, I don't even know what that means.

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah,

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Pat McCalla

that. But what does that look

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah, yeah, I love that. I just believe in you. And I share of probably similar values on this that God put us each year for a purpose and we're uniquely made, and that is easily to be categorized as cliche and pastoral. And yeah, everyone's unique.

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Jeff Rasor

well it's true. Like there's there's never been another pat on this earth and there never will be.

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Jeff Rasor

There's never been another Jeff on this earth.

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah. Fair enough, fair enough.

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Jeff Rasor

But there's a reason you're here. This part casts a part of it, but it's so much beyond that. It transcends that. And. And I just believe every person has a unique reason they're here in this time of history and part of our role, our responsibility of stewardship in our life is to to pursue that and discover it.

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Jeff Rasor

But there is this uniqueness that each person has and it, when you find that you can really, really live from there.

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Jeff Rasor

So you asked about the impact.

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Jeff Rasor

I believe in that uniqueness. Every one of us has what I call a core heart burden, or a series of core burdens. That and burden can sound negative. It can sound weighty, you know, it can have that negative connotation. But, burden is that weightiness you carry for others. And we all have it very differently.

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Jeff Rasor

I, I joke and I don't want to offend any, any of your audience or our audience listening, but, some people, you see these infomercials the middle of the night. We're going to, send money to, starving cats in India, which for some, that's going to make them come alive. They're going to respond to that commercial and send money and care very much.

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Jeff Rasor

I'm not wired for that. And again, I don't want to any of your audience. It is I want to affirm that. But I'm wired to care about certain other things.

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Jeff Rasor

Okay. Fair enough y'all. Restraint I, I served it up on a T for you. But I would say I'm.

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Jeff Rasor

Wired for certain things that make me come alive. And when I live in that, the world around me is better and they receive from that. So every one of your listeners, there's a core heartburn that I believe is put there by the fingerprints of God, that when you get in touch with that and live toward that humanity, it gets better, society gets better.

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Pat McCalla

of what a core heartburn would be

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Jeff Rasor

like, yeah,

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Pat McCalla

three or 4 or 5 of them

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah. No question. Yeah, well.

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Jeff Rasor

I'll share mine. Specifically, I care deeply about who people are and how they're doing that. That's a deep core heartburn. So if you and I, even before this session, we sat down where all of a sudden we're sharing stories. I could swap stories with someone like you for hours and hours and hours because I care about who you are and how you're doing.

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Jeff Rasor

And then I dream about this is another part of that core heartburn. I care about helping you find what that is and unleashing it for greatest impact and fulfillment in your life. And so, I love doing that with my team. I love doing that with other teams. And so that's me coming alive with that. When I'm in that sweet spot of that core heartburn, the world around me is better.

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Jeff Rasor

They're strengthened, they're unleashed into their potential. And when I live that out, the world around me is better.

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Jeff Rasor

And so another yeah.

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Jeff Rasor

Sure

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Pat McCalla

something else. But let me just

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Jeff Rasor

share for

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Pat McCalla

just a moment. When did you start realizing that was a core heartburn? You didn't have that name for it or title for it at the time, but when you look back on your life, do you go, yeah, I had that even when I was a kid.

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Pat McCalla

When I look back,

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Jeff Rasor

yeah. Or would you say.

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah, I would say.

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Jeff Rasor

Yes. You're right. I didn't have it defined in that kind of way. And I think that's part of that pursuit for our listeners is how do you and, you know, finding that pathway to define that. But as you look back through history, I could see where that was manifesting in my life, where I was moved and compelled to move into situations out of that place of care, even though I didn't understand that was working within me as a as a child or as a teenager, as a young adult.

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Jeff Rasor

One of the stories where I discovered this, and we both share this journey of having pastored on, on church staff, was I was in the financial services industry early in my career. You know, you climb that corporate, you know, ladder and pursue success. And, at an early age, in my mid 20s, I was an executive leader in a small, financial planning firm for, boutique kind of state planning, investment planning for high net worth individuals.

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Jeff Rasor

And I recognized all these advisors, these senior partners that were 20 years ahead of me. You know, more success had the right cars, right pin. They're coming by my desk all the time. Interrupting my work is how I saw at the time asking for advice, asking for direction. And I didn't recognize it at the time. Pat. But there was 20 years on me,

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Jeff Rasor

you know, all the money they needed, all the right book of clients.

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Jeff Rasor

And here they are asking me for input and what I recognized, not in the moment, but later in life, was that pastoral calling of shepherding, of caring, of giving, sound counsel and advice was manifesting before I knew even that was in me. And that was a part of that core burden. Like I cared about how they were doing.

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Jeff Rasor

I, I although I felt interrupted, like, okay, put my work aside. Let's talk about how you're doing and.

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Pat McCalla

one reason they came to you is because they

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Jeff Rasor

They felt it.

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Jeff Rasor

They felt they knew I cared. I must, and I feel as happens now, I can speak to it like there's a genuineness that people are like, okay, I got to tell you my story. I need help navigating this. And.

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

I mean, I just met you

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Jeff Rasor

For sure.

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Pat McCalla

and I sensed that from you. And that goes back to what you said before, too, about how we are created uniquely by God. So. So with your

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Jeff Rasor

share,

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Pat McCalla

you would say when when God were going to quote a verse here,

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Jeff Rasor

Sure. And your for sure

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Pat McCalla

putting you together, creating you, he created you

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Pat McCalla

with this unique gift.

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Jeff Rasor

Yes.

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Pat McCalla

And you see it when you look back. You didn't know how to define it, but you see it popping up even as a kid into your teens,

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Jeff Rasor

Sure,

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Pat McCalla

you were just describing. Okay, so give us another

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Jeff Rasor

one. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

another, core heart

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah, yeah, I love that.

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Jeff Rasor

I'll share. A good friend of mine I'm known 25 plus years also was a client. And some of the work we do to serve high achieving leaders. And I would say it's both knit in our mother's womb, but also through the experience of life. There's this, you know, raise, you know, our leaders born or they developed. You know, the same happens for core our burdens.

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Jeff Rasor

It's in us. But how it uniquely gets shaped happens. So without exposing this client. But I'll share a bit about his story. He has his own journey in addiction recovery, and I've done a lot of work in the recovery space. And he co-founded a phenomenal nonprofit, that helps people with, sober, active community for continuing their addiction recovery space.

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Jeff Rasor

When he went through this process, he was in a big pivot in his career and had been in HR recruiting, had founded this nonprofit, and felt like he kind of kind of out of the corporate world in a sense. And how do I restart? And he found that core heartburn uniquely, was not just for the corporate world or the nonprofit world, but truly to make in a systematic impact to the in the addiction recovery space.

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Jeff Rasor

And so that led him to write a book that led him to,

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Jeff Rasor

be in legislation. He ended up in the Oval Office, for his work. He's, one of the most renowned speakers in the addiction recovery space now and even moved, which he never would have went into entrepreneurship, but now owns and runs an addiction recovery hospital.

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Jeff Rasor

And all of that came from that place of, this isn't just my story, or I have an interest in it. But when you look about how God wired me and you connect that to my story, this is what I made to do. And, he, you know, he has that entrepreneurial speakers, you know, as a speaker all across the country.

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Jeff Rasor

And he'll be in someone's living room calling them out of, you know, that lifestyle in an intervention. And everywhere in between is where he lives. That cohort burn out, every single day. And he's changing the world doing it. But until he could define it and tap into it, it was this cross your fingers. What's around the next corner?

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Jeff Rasor

I'm not sure where to head. And once he did, it's he's unstoppable.

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Pat McCalla

That's a perfect example, Jeff, like you said. So. Well of the combination of how God created him,

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Jeff Rasor

Sure, sure. Yes.

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Pat McCalla

And so you're saying so for our audience or for myself, if we're trying to identify what is our core heart burden,

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Jeff Rasor

Sure. You

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Pat McCalla

start to figure out a little bit like, what's your personality?

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Jeff Rasor

Sure. And

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Pat McCalla

those personality profiles you can take, but also connecting that to our journey?

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Jeff Rasor

Absolutely,

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Pat McCalla

I just think about it for me, from a I look back and from the time I was a little boy, I remember I hated injustices

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Jeff Rasor

So much. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

out to me like, if someone's getting made fun of in the hallway or something, everybody else could just go back to class and forget it.

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Jeff Rasor

Sure.

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Jeff Rasor

Just great on you. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

And so I look now and I'm 53 now, and, I look back and I go, gosh, almost everything I've done in my life has somehow connected to

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Jeff Rasor

There you go.

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Pat McCalla

I didn't really

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Jeff Rasor

real. Sure.

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

yeah. So how would someone, let's say the listener is going, I'm not sure what my core heartburn is.

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

How do you help people identify there? So I'm

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Jeff Rasor

I'm probably asking you to take

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Pat McCalla

a bunch of material and

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Jeff Rasor

there, right? Right, right. Yeah.

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Jeff Rasor

think, well, certainly we have a process that's going to guide someone through that discovery process. And we can speak to that.

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah, sure.

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Pat McCalla

tell people how they can

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah, certainly. But I think it is searching for what brings that most meaning. There is, again, knit together in our mother's womb. I think God has placed meaning on our hearts. So it's that search for meaning, what makes you come alive? Those kind of questions. Looking for those patterns as you talked about. You always move toward justice or felt burdened by it.

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Jeff Rasor

And so there's where are those patterns you can identify? Walk with someone, you know, whether that's a counselor or a pastor, a rabbi or a coach or a guide. That's going to help you unpack what those key turning points are in life and why they were turning points for you. And as you start to see that data, you know, come together, you can really start tapping into that.

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Jeff Rasor

You mentioned justice. There's there's a core value in you. So we have core burdens, but we also have core values. And, a lot of leaders understand that from a corporate standpoint, many corporations, many businesses, churches root them on the wall and and sell them, live them. This exactly, what I was writing about when I was coming up, and developing this process was, you can go to a company.

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Jeff Rasor

They've got all the core values on the wall, but that interaction is not the same. We rarely take time to write our own core values, but we have them and we live by them. So in a funny way, more many companies write them aspirationally and hope they can make them exist. Hope they can bring them to fruition. But in our lives, we're living by them.

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Jeff Rasor

We've just never defined them, their behavior or their attitude. We respond, you're going to respond strong to justice because it's a core value of yours that aligns with that core heart burden. There's probably three or 4 or 5 others. And they move you. You make decisions based on it unknowingly. I often say a core value is like a riverbank, like you're moving through life.

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Jeff Rasor

But that core value will shape how you respond to any given situation at

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Pat McCalla

riverbank. I like that

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Jeff Rasor

better.

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Pat McCalla

immediately thinking like guardrails,

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Jeff Rasor

Sure. Road sure like

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Pat McCalla

riverbank more because I can picture like this river meandering through

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Jeff Rasor

and it's turning. Yeah, but

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Pat McCalla

those turns are all based on what you're the analogy using. Are your

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Jeff Rasor

core values.

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Jeff Rasor

It's guiding you. You may not know it, but it is guiding you. And it often you.

:: 18:54:17

Jeff Rasor

Try to help people.

:: 18:55:25

Jeff Rasor

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

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Jeff Rasor

Those,

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Pat McCalla

those that they've been living by, but they don't even realize

:: 18:59:19

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

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Jeff Rasor

When you draw them out and name them and can articulate them, it gives you two things. One, the power to understand why you're colliding with someone else or an organization because they're living by another set of core values that are undefined for them as well. So that may the conflict resolution that can come because you know, yourself well, is powerful, but now you get to accelerate those.

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Jeff Rasor

And this is what I made for. This is how I'm wired. How do I position myself to be more aligned with that in life, work, relationships? And when you do that, that's a part of that breakthrough of aligning, all those things around who you really are.

:: 19:32:11

Pat McCalla

yeah. When you're talking about the conflict, I mean, this is a silly illustration, but, I look back at my my wife and I, we've been married for 34 years

:: 19:39:25

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 19:40:18

Pat McCalla

the summer. But one of her core values would be, early is on

:: 19:46:00

Jeff Rasor

time, right?

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Jeff Rasor

Right.

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Jeff Rasor

Sometimes that's sure,

:: 19:48:29

Pat McCalla

for us because I'm like, we don't have to be there for 30 minutes.

:: 19:51:09

Jeff Rasor

Right.

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Pat McCalla

to your

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Jeff Rasor

point, would

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Pat McCalla

be a core value for

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Jeff Rasor

sure. Yeah. She

:: 19:57:07

Pat McCalla

has this value of we cannot be late. We have to be

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Jeff Rasor

all right.

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Pat McCalla

rude to be. And

:: 20:01:28

Jeff Rasor

Sure,

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Pat McCalla

say this in a in

:: 20:03:11

Jeff Rasor

sure. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

It's rude to be late. We need to respect the people that we're going to

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Jeff Rasor

meet. Sure.

:: 20:09:21

Pat McCalla

that's a core

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Jeff Rasor

Value. Absolutely.

:: 20:11:26

Pat McCalla

she may not even have known that, but she's lived

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Jeff Rasor

that out.

:: 20:14:04

Jeff Rasor

She's living it out. You might have a core value of freedom or you know.

:: 20:18:08

Jeff Rasor

Exactly how you go. Yeah. And see it's there because if there's a.

:: 20:20:19

Jeff Rasor

Collision.

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Jeff Rasor

You're like, well, we'll get there when we get there. I want the freedom.

:: 20:24:25

Jeff Rasor

Exactly, exactly. So those aren't just personal. You know, we think about marriage or leadership in our companies. Those aren't just personal rubbing. There are true values that are coming up against each other. If you don't know them, it's just me. And that person irritates me. They're always late, even though they're on time because early is on time or.

:: 20:42:01

Jeff Rasor

Man, there's oh, they're always.

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Jeff Rasor

Just free flowing. Well, man, they're irresponsible or something might be, you know, that's a value of mine I'm living from.

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Jeff Rasor

And

:: 20:50:02

Pat McCalla

can see that. I can see though, is you're talking the value of of identifying these and then the people that we're

:: 20:57:11

Jeff Rasor

working with, sure, we're

:: 20:58:09

Pat McCalla

spending a lot of our life with, trying to identify theirs, can probably help a lot in that

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Jeff Rasor

Is it's.

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Jeff Rasor

Transformative and it's transformative in marriages, but it's transformative more excuse me, it's transformative organizationally as well. When a leader business owner, a senior pastor, or a leader of a division or a team can understand why they're saying what they want, but they're having a hard time getting their team to align to it, that now they can say, what, hey, I know you don't want to do it this way, but here's the value driving me as your leader of why I want it this way.

:: 21:27:08

Jeff Rasor

And maybe there's still a disagreement. Is is that necessary? But at least I know how to articulate it and how to draw expectations to that. We've had leaders that have found that very effective in their leadership of a team, just to know themselves better and experience that transformation. What we've also got to do is bring leadership teams together, walk them in a cohort through that kind of process, and now they get to appreciate and value each other in a way they never did.

:: 21:51:15

Jeff Rasor

And it's it's team building. It's culture building, but not in a kumbaya, you know, trust fall way. It's very practical where a team can step into a meeting and they're pioneering something and they can have this conflict. Oh, that's your innovator that's coming to the surface. And my steward. And now we can talk through why I need to steward this innovation.

:: 22:13:08

Jeff Rasor

And then that collaboration just increases. So it happens in marriages, happens in leadership happens in teams. And to your point, Pat, when you know it and can articulate it and how you can speak through that filter, talk about it and, and come to understanding and that that sets teams free and credible ways.

:: 22:27:23

Pat McCalla

I can imagine. So how did people find I couldn't ask kind of the same question did about the, the core heart burdened,

:: 22:33:05

Jeff Rasor

Yeah. Values.

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Pat McCalla

how would people identify them? Again, let's say someone's listening and they're going like, I don't really know what mine are. And like you're saying, if you could write those down, like if the value for me to be able to sit down and go, like, here's three of my top

:: 22:46:23

Jeff Rasor

Sure. See how

:: 22:47:20

Pat McCalla

that could have a huge impact on how I live out my

:: 22:50:10

Jeff Rasor

life. Yeah.

:: 22:51:01

Pat McCalla

and, and relationally with other people.

:: 22:53:02

Pat McCalla

But what if someone has no idea?

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Jeff Rasor

Yeah, I'll give a couple two or.

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Jeff Rasor

Three, simple questions. You can our listeners can start jotting down some thoughts. So

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Jeff Rasor

I'll ask you a series of categories that are going to till the soil of you will of of data, internal heart data for core heart burdens and core values. But one might be what are you passionate about? Which is not a new question.

:: 23:18:25

Jeff Rasor

It's not new to our audience, but when you ask it through the lens of core value, you start to write a few things down. And then what I encourage your listeners to do is not just write down what you passionate about, but the why behind, why you're passionate about it. And so often when I'm facilitating this with a senior leader, I'll just pick an example.

:: 23:36:01

Jeff Rasor

Something like fly fishing will come up. I'm passionate about fly fishing. Well, a lot of people might be passionate about fly fishing, but the why behind that is very different in shaping your core values. So some will say, I just love being an outdoors. I need that freedom. I love being in creation. It's inspiring to me.

:: 23:52:03

Jeff Rasor

I love the beauty, the colors, the sounds. There's a core value in there of creation or creativity, where another person would say, I love the strategy. I love figuring out what to, you know, fly to tie in what season and what ripple in the lake or in the river. Excuse me? I'm not a fly fisherman, I say like, what ripple in the river?

:: 24:10:01

Jeff Rasor

Is that fly going to work in at what time of the season based on the temperature of the water? Well, they have this strategy, core value that they care about. And it's totally different than someone who loves fly fishing for being in creation. So as you ask the why behind some of those things, that's going to lead you to some of those values,

:: 24:25:16

Jeff Rasor

I'd say another would be, what do you obsess about?

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Jeff Rasor

You know, dad might always like, hey, kids, the lights are on. Turn the lights off. We don't want to pay for electricity. Well, that could just be annoying, dad. Or it could be a personality. Or could be I value effectiveness or efficiency or stewardship. You wouldn't have those answers. It's just dad, you know, mad that the lights are on, and we left the frigerator door open.

:: 24:46:27

Jeff Rasor

But if dad can understand, you know, or leader of team can understand. It's not about the light. It's not about the heat. It's about let's be efficient in what we do because we have this responsibility. That conversation is enriched because of knowing that core value. Absolutely. And then I would say a third, which is one of the most powerful ways to find those hiding core values, is exactly what you described earlier.

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Jeff Rasor

Pat, is what makes you what compels you to run into a situation, what almost offends you? Where I have to say something? Usually in that moment a core value has been violated. So this is what you come back into the classroom or in that situation and traffic, whatever it might be.

:: 25:22:21

Jeff Rasor

when you feel compelled to go into action, someone's violated a core value.

:: 25:26:22

Jeff Rasor

You're standing in front of someone for some reason that triggered something. And I'm not saying trigger like weakness. I'm saying triggered an action to defend. Somewhere in there is a core value that is driving you to react that way, and it will frustrate you. And others don't respond in the same way.

:: 25:43:05

Pat McCalla

just thinking

:: 25:43:25

Jeff Rasor

yeah.

:: 25:44:14

Pat McCalla

this and this goes back to the conflict, right?

:: 25:46:11

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 25:46:29

Pat McCalla

between

:: 25:47:23

Jeff Rasor

personnel. Sure.

:: 25:48:23

Pat McCalla

when your core values violated, if it's not my core value, you may look at me going like, well, how can you not

:: 25:54:11

Jeff Rasor

sure.

:: 25:55:03

Jeff Rasor

It doesn't measure. Yeah. And then it's frustrating. Why does, you know, in our teams and in our marriages and our relationships, why doesn't that matter? They don't have that same burden. They don't have the same fingerprints. And we're all here for a reason. But when we can align those man. Watch out. Unstoppable.

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Pat McCalla

know, you used probably one word more than any other words so

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Jeff Rasor

far. Okay.

:: 26:15:13

Pat McCalla

interview. And it's the word why

:: 26:17:14

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, sure.

:: 26:19:17

Pat McCalla

And, I think a Simon Sinek book, why

:: 26:21:23

Jeff Rasor

sure.

:: 26:22:12

Pat McCalla

start with the why.

:: 26:23:10

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 26:24:09

Pat McCalla

Martin Luther King Jr isn't famous for his I have a strategy

:: 26:27:21

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 26:28:15

Pat McCalla

have a dream speech.

:: 26:29:11

Jeff Rasor

Right? Sure.

:: 26:31:10

Pat McCalla

strategy is the how. But most of us spend so much time doing the

:: 26:34:17

Jeff Rasor

Yeah,

:: 26:35:15

Pat McCalla

miss the white. So

:: 26:36:17

Pat McCalla

haven't missed the fact that you

:: 26:38:01

Jeff Rasor

Fascinating.

:: 26:38:29

Pat McCalla

the why in there a number of times.

:: 26:40:18

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 26:41:05

Pat McCalla

And

:: 26:41:17

Pat McCalla

part that you just mentioned about how we find our core values, the part that stood out to me the most probably was like, what are you passionate about and why?

:: 26:49:03

Jeff Rasor

sure.

:: 26:49:26

Jeff Rasor

It's that purpose behind it. Why? Answers the question of purpose.

:: 26:52:27

Jeff Rasor

Absolutely. Because

:: 26:53:25

Pat McCalla

an analogy used or the illustration used was so good someone could say, like, I'm passionate about fly fishing.

:: 26:59:29

Pat McCalla

Well, when you ask them why

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Jeff Rasor

sure.

:: 27:01:28

Pat McCalla

example you just gave was two totally different whys

:: 27:04:15

Jeff Rasor

Yes.

:: 27:05:02

Pat McCalla

same passion,

:: 27:06:02

Jeff Rasor

Yes.

:: 27:06:23

Pat McCalla

totally different whys, which I could see can really help than lead to someone's core values.

:: 27:10:14

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, absolutely. And then that becomes directive in your career. If you can start to answer that why then you can start to align your career to that. You can have two people doing the same job for two different ways. You can be asking the question, man, I feel stuck here. I've been running this business, but my heart doesn't come alive anymore.

:: 27:25:15

Jeff Rasor

Why? What is that thing God's calling me to that transcends this level of success and allows me to live a life of significance. But until you answer that, why, it's really hard to navigate toward that. You're chasing. You're chasing success. You're chasing elusive things. But answering that was huge. I, I didn't realize I was saying it, but it is absolutely core to who I am.

:: 27:44:26

Jeff Rasor

And, Yeah, how we serve people.

:: 27:47:01

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 27:47:18

Pat McCalla

talk about limiting beliefs as well.

:: 27:49:11

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 27:49:28

Pat McCalla

Let's unpack that a little bit. So limiting beliefs, everybody that's listening to this, including

:: 27:55:06

Jeff Rasor

myself. Yeah. We

:: 27:56:02

Pat McCalla

have limiting beliefs.

:: 27:57:14

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 27:58:01

Pat McCalla

What does that mean. How do those affect us and how do we overcome

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Jeff Rasor

Sure. Man, I wish I was the.

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Jeff Rasor

Expert, right? Yes, I wish I was the expert in this and I wish I had I could say.

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Jeff Rasor

I had solved all these problems. Man, again, our beliefs are shaped by kind of what's imprinted in us, but also our experience. And some of those lead to core values. Like, I was raised this way and it's a value to me. And those can be strengths. But when we're raised in a way that doesn't always serve what that dream on a heart is, that becomes a limiting and belief.

:: 28:25:28

Jeff Rasor

It holds us back from that ability to take action. And and so there's, there's and again, that's not my expertise. I love listening to podcasts on this stuff from those that are experts, but there is this, rewiring of our thinking that is important for transformation. And it comes from Scripture. I think it's found in, in Scripture, we're told, be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

:: 28:45:18

Jeff Rasor

for me, I, I, you you could preach that, but to actually live that and understand like literally Scripture speaks to transformation starts in the renewing of their mind. For our listeners who are followers of Christ, it might sound a little new age or a little, you know, think positive until it works out in the end.

:: 29:00:24

Jeff Rasor

But we're told to be transformed by the renewing of our mind. And so, we talked about habits before you and I. And, some of those habits are how do you renew your mind with truth? And, that is sometimes letting go of old truths to infuse it with new truths. And I think that's the best way I've found to have breakthrough in that area was to evaluate what am I holding true, that is either no longer true or no longer serving me that or a belief.

:: 29:26:06

Jeff Rasor

I'm not talking, global truth, you know, specific. I think God breathes truth. I'm talking about truths about how I see the world, how I interact with the world, how I believe about me in the world. And and what are those that are not serving me? And what are those that I need to adapt and adopt, really, and embrace that can serve me?

:: 29:42:29

Jeff Rasor

I think that's where breakthrough starts. And, renewing that mind for that transformation. I'll give one example, if that's okay. There was, early in my career, we were talking about that, that we're all in financial services.

:: 29:54:18

Jeff Rasor

I, I in these interactions with these very successful leaders in our company, I recognized because they were coming to me sharing their story.

:: 30:02:23

Jeff Rasor

There was a lot of brokenness and a lot of what I didn't want for my future in my marriage and in my future family.

:: 30:09:04

Pat McCalla

said, they were like two decades

:: 30:10:07

Jeff Rasor

Two decades ahead of.

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Jeff Rasor

Where.

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Jeff Rasor

They had everything. The in business school they teach you, you want and to become. But they had nothing that I knew in my spirit I wanted and I, I wrote, I said, God, if this is the pursuit of success, I don't want those outcomes. And so I need you to give me a why? Why am I in this space and why do you have me here?

:: 30:30:29

Jeff Rasor

What is leadership look like for me? Because it looks like climbing the corporate ladder is an empty pursuit at the end. And so I don't want to lean my ladder against that building.

:: 30:38:24

Jeff Rasor

And God spoke and, you know, through that journaling reflection, we've talked about some of those daily habits. Just gave me this mission statement in my mid 20s.

:: 30:47:21

Jeff Rasor

ed ignite their light, that's: 1000

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Jeff Rasor

And in my career, through some of the work I've got to do, I've impacted hundreds of thousands. And I can't even believe that. But it's that pursuit of of what that looks like. And so,

:: 31:19:21

Jeff Rasor

as I pursued that, I recognized that there was this, this pursuit of that goal, that change my belief. So I lived that for 25 years, going back to limiting beliefs that served my career, that serve my ministry, that serve my impact in reaching more people than I ever thought possible.

:: 31:35:10

Jeff Rasor

I never thought I'd reach as many people have I've been allowed to impact.

:: 31:38:28

Jeff Rasor

but the beauty of that was for me in that 25 years was that allowed me to be behind the scenes. I love being that behind the scenes leader making others look great. I don't need the spotlight. I don't even want the spotlight and then as God shifted my career to do more of this and become a teaching pastor and be out front as a leader, I thought that I fought God hard on that because my my success, if you will, and significance was staying behind the scenes, making others look great.

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Jeff Rasor

And so that value served me tremendously and served God's kingdom tremendously. And now God's like, yeah, I'm pushing you in the spotlight. And I'm like, no, I don't want that. And I've had to work on shifting that belief. So we're talking about renewing the mind. I've had to remove that hiding. You know, being behind the curtain is how you serve God and understanding that he has called me to shine my light.

:: 32:28:26

Jeff Rasor

I'd rather make others shine their light. I'd rather help them. But there is a role for me to play in shining my light that can be kingdom oriented and godly motivated. That I've had to wrestle because I spent 25 years in training. The best place I get to serve God's kingdom is behind the curtain. And now it's like, now.

:: 32:44:26

Pat McCalla

you even use phrases like that? Did you even

:: 32:48:01

Jeff Rasor

Oh yeah, drive yourself

:: 32:49:06

Pat McCalla

to people? You'd be like, man, I'm a behind

:: 32:50:24

Jeff Rasor

Oh yeah.

:: 32:51:28

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, I worked at a national men's ministry. We talked about it, Promise Keepers. I was the creative programing director. So my role in our teams was to create all the content that came from the stage and then live produce it. And folks in my role, past leaders or or others had the right to put themselves on stage to do some announcements to make the event.

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Jeff Rasor

And I love being the guy behind the curtain, stewarding those that had that platform gift. I didn't know I had it at the time I found out I do, but even know knowing I do, I don't want it. I'd rather be behind the curtain. And so God's like, hey, that value, that belief, that limiting, that that belief that served you to unleash others into their greatness became a limiting belief, even though it was the belief that accelerated me for 25 years.

:: 33:33:25

Jeff Rasor

And so,

:: 33:34:22

Jeff Rasor

yeah, there is this wrestling still internally, to step into that spotlight.

:: 33:39:07

Pat McCalla

you're

:: 33:39:13

Pat McCalla

the example you use like we have some we have some limiting beliefs sometimes that have just they're lies that we

:: 33:44:23

Jeff Rasor

sure.

:: 33:45:18

Pat McCalla

But there's also these beliefs we've had that they, they were they were maybe

:: 33:49:09

Jeff Rasor

sure.

:: 33:50:00

Pat McCalla

lies, but they lies. You use the phrase you use. They were old truths.

:: 33:53:06

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 33:53:22

Pat McCalla

So I want to I want to dig into that a little

:: 33:55:11

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 33:56:01

Pat McCalla

you, you referenced it a little bit.

:: 33:57:08

Pat McCalla

I, you know, I often say

:: 33:58:13

Pat McCalla

truth is truth, whether

:: 33:59:05

Jeff Rasor

sure.

:: 33:59:29

Jeff Rasor

Right.

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Pat McCalla

But we're we're talking about those global

:: 34:02:28

Jeff Rasor

sure

:: 34:03:18

Pat McCalla

the moral

:: 34:04:12

Jeff Rasor

right

:: 34:04:29

Pat McCalla

foundation, you know, the the things that God

:: 34:07:09

Jeff Rasor

sure. Moral issues.

:: 34:08:21

Jeff Rasor

Yes.

:: 34:09:09

Pat McCalla

when you're talking about old truths versus new truths in our minds, you're not necessarily talking about those. How would you differentiate those for

:: 34:14:28

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 34:15:14

Jeff Rasor

No, it's a great question. You know, matter maybe over my pay grade, you know, as a as a theologian. But I would say certainly all God, all truth is God's truth. And God got his truth like we know that. And so there are others global moral, ethical truths that I and and identity truths that I think God speaks to us as, as his creation.

:: 34:33:20

Jeff Rasor

But these other things that are how we see the world are or maybe lesser truths, because we've defined them as our truth. So I shared that one about my own journey. I'll share another simple story. It's I'm going to mock myself in this, but,

:: 34:45:04

Jeff Rasor

we moved, from Colorado, Southern California, a number of years ago. And, I love dogs.

:: 34:51:01

Jeff Rasor

I grew up with dogs and cats, but we're not great dog owners. We just we always about our kids and living fully alive. And sometimes animals can hold you back.

:: 34:57:28

Jeff Rasor

And so our daughter was seven, eight and nine at the time and just begging us for a dog. We hadn't had one in a long time. And we, you know, Southern California is pricey.

:: 35:08:03

Jeff Rasor

And so we live in this amazing neighborhood. But the homes are more, smaller, smaller.

:: 35:14:28

Jeff Rasor

I wouldn't even call it acreage, but smaller plots and no yards. And so a little patio, but no yards like we had in Colorado. And so we kept saying to her, and I kept saying maybe an excuse, but it was truth.

:: 35:24:22

Jeff Rasor

So you're asking about truth? We can't get a dog till we move from here and have a yard. This is too hard to have a dog here. And it it was my answer to her, for 2 or 3 years and, you know, trusting where God's going to move us if this is the house for us. So there's another one.

:: 35:38:09

Jeff Rasor

And we were renting at the time hoping to to move at some point. Although we love where we are, it was this truth I had set in motion. And then as I felt this, you know, God like Jeff, you're being hard about this. It's been 2 or 3 years. She's growing up. She's probably ten at the time. And I realized, why am I defining?

:: 35:54:22

Jeff Rasor

Is everyone in our neighborhood has dogs. People walk their dogs all day long. If you walk in our neighborhood, there's, you could go on a 15 minute walk and see 100 dogs.

:: 36:03:09

Jeff Rasor

Big dogs, massive dogs.

:: 36:04:28

Jeff Rasor

They live in the neighborhood. They have no backyards. Like, literally.

:: 36:08:04

Jeff Rasor

These, these lanai kind of patios. We live in a sort of a beach community. Everyone else has a dog and massive dogs. And I realized I had put a limiting belief on our ability to to step into something because of how I saw the world in that situation. And I begin and again, I'm locking myself in this, and it's less important some of the bigger things in life.

:: 36:27:07

Jeff Rasor

But I began to reshape I they don't need a yard. Why would we need a yard? And over a few months, I recognize I have a wall up that's holding me back from a possibility in life that either I didn't want or didn't foresee possible given the circumstances, and recognized there's a limit I placed on this scenario that doesn't really exist.

:: 36:45:20

Jeff Rasor

In truth, that limit does not exist. And when I recognize that we move toward getting a dog, we got a little multiple multi-GPU. It's the best dog in the world. If you're going to own a dog. And our our daughter's been in heaven for five plus years.

:: 36:57:21

Jeff Rasor

Kept it alive.

:: 36:58:11

Jeff Rasor

We've kept it alive, which is our third dog.

:: 37:00:21

Jeff Rasor

We the first two we we adopted out to family members when when my wife and I weren't the best dog owners. But this one we've succeeded in. And so again, a minu example in something inconsequential life.

:: 37:11:28

Jeff Rasor

But imagine if you're doing that with your dreams. Imagine if you're doing that with your career. Well, I can't pivot in my career because I'm at this age, or I have the golden handcuffs or man.

:: 37:21:14

Jeff Rasor

God's always.

:: 37:21:29

Jeff Rasor

Told me to do this, but I miss those moments. So many of our our clients have recognized in life story that I miss those moments from God. And is he forgotten me or did did I squander something? And I just believe God can always Reorients you back to that passion, that desire. It may be an extra challenge of making that pursuit, but those limiting beliefs will hold us back, and it's as simple as looking at it from a different perspective and going.

:: 37:46:16

Jeff Rasor

Oh, I've.

:: 37:46:27

Jeff Rasor

Had the wrong perspective on this truth the entire time, and I can reframe that truth in a new way. And then all of a sudden I'm owning a dog that I couldn't, you know, for years.

:: 37:56:05

Pat McCalla

I love how you, you you explained a limiting belief or a wall missing the moments.

:: 38:02:04

Jeff Rasor

Sure, sure people can. Yeah,

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Pat McCalla

man, I missed it.

:: 38:06:01

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 38:06:17

Pat McCalla

missed my opportunity.

:: 38:07:11

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 38:08:01

Pat McCalla

well, you just put a wall up where there maybe doesn't need to be a

:: 38:10:22

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 38:11:11

Pat McCalla

as you described, God is bigger than you.

:: 38:13:12

Pat McCalla

Yeah, you missed

:: 38:14:02

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 38:14:20

Jeff Rasor

More

:: 38:14:27

Pat McCalla

difficult now may take you longer now, but it doesn't mean that that dream has to be over.

:: 38:19:23

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, certainly.

:: 38:20:26

Pat McCalla

there's a lot. And I actually love Jeff that, that analogy of using of the wall, because I can totally in fact, the audience can see. But right

:: 38:28:27

Jeff Rasor

Sure. There's a wall.

:: 38:30:04

Jeff Rasor

Right.

:: 38:30:23

Pat McCalla

And I'm looking at that.

:: 38:32:00

Pat McCalla

It's kind of a fake rock wall. And I'm like, that's exactly

:: 38:35:02

Jeff Rasor

sure

:: 38:35:26

Pat McCalla

what we put in front of ourselves. So. So we're going, well,

:: 38:39:22

Pat McCalla

limiting belief, whatever it

:: 38:41:01

Jeff Rasor

is. Yeah.

:: 38:41:23

Pat McCalla

But on the other side of that wall, who knows what there

:: 38:44:21

Jeff Rasor

is.

:: 38:45:02

Jeff Rasor

Yes.

:: 38:45:21

Pat McCalla

that if we would just renew our mind

:: 38:47:18

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 38:48:19

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 38:49:07

Pat McCalla

and recognize that that's a limiting belief.

:: 38:51:06

Jeff Rasor

Yeah. I would say.

:: 38:53:02

Jeff Rasor

I love that you brought that up. We talked about the blue sky potential earlier there. That's that dream of everyone living in that fulfillment and fullness that God's created them for. We have these journeys, and a lot of people have this journey of quote unquote success from my stock market days. We love charts that are up into the right, and so yet they stall out.

:: 39:09:15

Jeff Rasor

And so it isn't just beliefs, it's beliefs that are formed by our circumstances. And so often between where we are now and that blue sky potential everyone has is this zone that people talk about on social media all the time. I call it the transformation zone. It's an opportunity to transform to to step in to all that you are, to live and soar in that blue sky.

:: 39:29:02

Jeff Rasor

What happens? It gets clouded, in just much like an airplane trying to take off into the blue sky. There's clouds that come in, I. I call them clouds of confusion. Clouds of uncertainty. They can be external. It can be politics. It can be the economy. It can be our workplace. It can be our health. It can be our relationships.

:: 39:45:10

Jeff Rasor

Those external things that pressurize, our beliefs, that pressurize our realities, you know, much greater in consequence than whether I can have a dog with no yard. But we we allow those things to define what we're able to do or not able to do. What we're able to dream and not able to dream. Those are bad enough.

:: 40:03:05

Jeff Rasor

But then what they often cause is internal clouds of confusion. So, we've tried something and it didn't work out, and we tried it twice and it didn't work out. So there's doubt that comes in. There's fear. Well, I can't I can't try this new thing again because the circumstances of our finances and we just start to settle in to the status quo.

:: 40:21:07

Jeff Rasor

And, people talk about the comfort zone all the time. I coined the term blue sky potential. I did not coined the term comfort zone. But so few people really talk about how to remove yourself from the comfort zone and how to actually transform through that opportunity zone to that blue sky. And it's, I think we berate the comfort zone for a reason.

:: 40:39:20

Jeff Rasor

For good reason. But none of us, very few of us, I should say, end up in the comfort zone of status quo because we want to be there. Usually those clouds of confusion, those clouds of uncertainty, external internal trap us there. And, pat, for any length of time that the clouds block us from those dreams, we just begin to accept a life short of what we know we're made for.

:: 40:59:26

Jeff Rasor

And even if we can't define what we're made for, we accept a life short of it. And when those clouds set in for any length of time. The darkness, the confusion. We often forget we're made for more. And that's where that discouragement, that despair that may have nothing in life feels like it brings meaning or value. And we we chase relationships or we chase success, or we chase finances, or we chase business growth and we're chasing all the wrong things, but we can't figure out why it's not leading us to that destination.

:: 41:25:22

Jeff Rasor

So, those limiting beliefs aren't just internal. They come from those external things. They hold us back.

:: 41:31:21

Pat McCalla

Accountability is something you talk

:: 41:33:13

Jeff Rasor

about.

:: 41:34:07

Pat McCalla

Where's accountability come into this?

:: 41:35:27

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, it's a good question. I, I we all need accountability. I think it's a word that.

:: 41:41:14

Jeff Rasor

Yes, it's like it squeezes us. We need it. We it's easy to talk about.

:: 41:45:26

Jeff Rasor

It's harder to accept and surrender to. Yeah.

:: 41:48:14

Pat McCalla

And by the way just for some people that are maybe triggered by that word, if you grew up in a very

:: 41:52:22

Jeff Rasor

strong

:: 41:53:11

Pat McCalla

background, that is not a, a probably a kind,

:: 41:57:14

Jeff Rasor

health. Sure, sure, sure.

:: 41:58:20

Pat McCalla

But if it's done well,

:: 42:00:06

Jeff Rasor

sure it

:: 42:01:00

Pat McCalla

is it's a beautiful thing.

:: 42:02:10

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, absolutely.

:: 42:03:06

Jeff Rasor

I push back on that word because that free I have a free, you know, pioneer in me as well. Like, well I want a dream and accountability feels like constraint. Right. But but we all need it. So I'd say a couple things about accountability. For me, the strongest form of accountability is, is a self sort of intrinsic accountability to that calling, to that identity, to that those core values and core burdens.

:: 42:24:26

Jeff Rasor

If you don't know them, then it's hard to stay in alignment or accountable to those truths. If you do.

:: 42:31:25

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 42:32:15

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 42:33:05

Pat McCalla

just to make sure I understand what you're saying? So you're

:: 42:35:17

Pat McCalla

specifically what you talking about right now? You know, are you're talking about accountability, where I'm meeting with someone and checking

:: 42:39:22

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 42:40:11

Pat McCalla

a week. You're saying, like an organization will have core values

:: 42:44:23

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 42:45:26

Pat McCalla

You have your core values. You know what those

:: 42:47:26

Jeff Rasor

Sure. You're

:: 42:48:20

Pat McCalla

keeping yourself accountable

:: 42:50:02

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 42:50:19

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 42:51:09

Jeff Rasor

I sort of transcending accountability. That's my fight.

:: 42:53:19

Jeff Rasor

Against traditional accountability. Yeah, yeah. Do. So a free. Yeah. Exactly. You love this new this this I've rebranded accountability for you, Pat.

:: 43:03:04

Jeff Rasor

What I love is so. Yes. So let me describe this. Even in the work I get to do, I get I get lumped into the genre of life coach, executive coach, business coach. It's fine. I'm not anti that. The world needs those. And in some ways I'm I'm one of those but I call a coach, if you need to run faster, you're going to, you're going to hire a track coach and they're going to meet you at the track.

:: 43:23:26

Jeff Rasor

They're going to hold you accountable. They're going to show up at 4:30 a.m., they're going to kick your butt. They're going to tell you what workouts to do. You need to do them faster. Hey, that lap wasn't as fast. Do it again. And that accountability and that coaching is going to lead to results. And if those are the results you're looking for, that accountability is priceless.

:: 43:40:13

Jeff Rasor

And so again, as much as you and I might, push away accountability, there's a real place in the marketplace for that. And it's necessary and you'll get results. You'll run faster in the work I get to do. And how I serve people these days is it's, I consider myself more of a guide. And so, I believe finding your life purpose, finding who God made you to be and why he put you here, and what that means for you to do with your life, your career, your vocation, your relationships is less about how fast you run and productivity and the pursuit of being accountable to your goals.

:: 44:09:14

Jeff Rasor

And it's more about like summiting Everest, finding your why. And that requires a guide. And is there a real result at the end of that? Yeah, you can get to the top of Everest, but it's not a coached journey. It's a walk alongside the journey. And you want to bring someone in your life that is not only done that in their own life, but has proven track record of doing that with others.

:: 44:29:12

Jeff Rasor

And is there going to be coaching along the way? Absolutely. You need to know how to survive the crevasse and climb on the ice letters and, survive at each base camp. But there's a guiding ness to that that is transformative. And so.

:: 44:43:11

Jeff Rasor

Sure. I'm I'm a spiritual, vocational career sherpa. That's a good way to put it. I no one said it that.

:: 44:49:06

Jeff Rasor

Way, but I love that.

:: 44:50:17

Jeff Rasor

and so back to accountability. When you have that summit experience of why you're here, who God made you to be and what that means in a real practical way, you've got all the accountability you need. It's it's written down, it's on paper. And so now it goes back to that talk about dreaming, that passive dreaming we talked about now I've got a dream, but I've got a blueprint for what achieving that dream looks like.

:: 45:12:19

Jeff Rasor

And so, I've got the blueprint. I'm going to live this out every day. And as I live into the truth of who God's made me to be, that dream comes closer and closer every single day.

:: 45:21:13

Pat McCalla

And I love that, especially your term blueprint. You know,

:: 45:24:01

Jeff Rasor

sure go to hell. Yeah. In

:: 45:26:14

Pat McCalla

a blueprint. You don't just nail these two two by fours together.

:: 45:30:16

Jeff Rasor

Sure, you

:: 45:31:03

Pat McCalla

can get a weird looking house or a house. It's unstable

:: 45:34:04

Jeff Rasor

Sure,

:: 45:35:15

Pat McCalla

requires a blueprint. But I do think that a lot of us do get stuck with, like I do have dreams.

:: 45:40:29

Pat McCalla

I do have

:: 45:41:19

Jeff Rasor

some

:: 45:42:14

Pat McCalla

things that God put in my heart, deep within my heart, my soul. But I don't know how to get there.

:: 45:47:11

Jeff Rasor

Some describing.

:: 45:48:24

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, absolutely.

:: 45:50:03

Pat McCalla

bit how to get

:: 45:50:26

Jeff Rasor

Absolutely. How to get there starts with the why as you called out in me. But it is the how as well it is that strategy. And so, so many, so many great Christian leaders, professional successful people. They've got they've got their strategy for their business or their career. They've got like I'm do some discipleship stuff at church and I'm growing spiritually, but rarely are those two integrated.

:: 46:10:19

Jeff Rasor

They're rarely one in the same. And it's much like, you know, my son plays college football. I love studying the NFL. I never played football, but I love the concept of teamwork and playbooks and being on the same page. You wouldn't have two offensive playbooks for the same team. Even if you have two different quarterbacks to kind of go in, they, I've got this package for this guy, but it can throw it off if you don't have a cohesive plan.

:: 46:32:07

Jeff Rasor

Well, for leaders like what is my overall blueprint for who God's made me to be, that informs my spiritual growth that informs my career decisions?

:: 46:40:05

Jeff Rasor

We don't want to work from two different playbooks. Exactly. They're they're not two separate rails. They're we're going to integrate those into one blueprint, that impacts all of those areas. And so, that's that first step in that breakthrough is, is really discovering not just theologically, your spiritual identity, your identity in Christ.

:: 46:56:20

Jeff Rasor

But what does that mean? Like who he made me to be. Who I really am. And how does that integrate into a blueprint.

:: 47:01:27

Pat McCalla

that is so good. Because I think what can happen for a lot of people and I'm saying this because I grew up in the

:: 47:08:14

Jeff Rasor

church. Sure. On church, sure

:: 47:11:13

Pat McCalla

is when people are talking about like, what? How do I find my purpose in my meeting? It usually goes to, well, how can you serve here on the weekend?

:: 47:18:05

Jeff Rasor

Sure, yes.

:: 47:19:28

Pat McCalla

ministry or you can do our coffee ministry?

:: 47:21:18

Jeff Rasor

Yeah. The

:: 47:22:10

Pat McCalla

ushers

:: 47:23:15

Pat McCalla

But then you got the rest of your life.

:: 47:24:19

Jeff Rasor

term.

:: 47:25:12

Pat McCalla

But what you're saying is not those those go together.

:: 47:28:14

Jeff Rasor

Yeah,

:: 47:29:10

Pat McCalla

separate.

:: 47:29:27

Pat McCalla

They can be connected.

:: 47:30:26

Jeff Rasor

Absolutely.

:: 47:31:17

Jeff Rasor

And listen, there is a place for serving in the local church. I cut my teeth in it. That's how I found a lot of what I'm gifted at.

:: 47:37:22

Jeff Rasor

Yes. We're both going to say that. However.

:: 47:40:19

Jeff Rasor

If there is which if is a, a rhetorical question, since I should say, since there is a purpose for each of us. My guess is it goes beyond setting up the coffee stand. Does that is that needed? Does that serve the local church? Does that make it winsome for when someone comes in, there's fresh coffee so they can attend church?

:: 47:57:06

Jeff Rasor

Absolutely needed in in the service of the local church.

:: 48:00:13

Jeff Rasor

Someone that's their core.

:: 48:01:25

Jeff Rasor

And that might be their core. Absolutely. They might be gifted in it. They love it. It brings them live. They got a gift of hospitality. And it is the alignment of those things. But there's so many of us that we get stuck in. This is my place of volunteerism or my place of service. And then this is where I go make my money or lead my teams or grow my company.

:: 48:20:05

Jeff Rasor

And we can integrate those. That's where we come alive. We've been talking about that. And so, it is the unleashing of those two. And when that happens, I think the church at large, capital C church expands, the kingdom of God expands. Does that mean we we hijack and eject from the local church? I don't think that's helpful.

:: 48:38:13

Jeff Rasor

Both to our own spiritual journey in the local church. But how do we sort of transcend those classic definitions of, this is what I do for work, and it's what I do for volunteerism and and find that purpose.

:: 48:48:00

Pat McCalla

I love that you use that phrase Kingdom of heaven or Kingdom of God. In the Gospels,

:: 48:52:04

Jeff Rasor

term

:: 48:52:29

Pat McCalla

that 150 to

:: 48:54:09

Jeff Rasor

Well,

:: 48:55:02

Pat McCalla

something like that. King of heaven, King of God. And and I'm convinced the older I get, the kingdom is so much bigger than we can even

:: 49:02:13

Jeff Rasor

Sure, sure. In

:: 49:04:06

Pat McCalla

every area of life.

:: 49:05:15

Pat McCalla

that's why I love that you

:: 49:06:13

Jeff Rasor

sure

:: 49:07:09

Pat McCalla

encompasses, setting up the coffee table at your local church or working in the parking lot ministry. But it also encompasses when you're going to work during the week

:: 49:16:02

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 49:17:01

Pat McCalla

when you're doing the laundry, when you're changing dirty diapers. The kingdom of God is all of those

:: 49:20:28

Jeff Rasor

Yes.

:: 49:22:00

Pat McCalla

and that's kind of what you're saying is you're trying to help people align their lives and, and live with, with passion.

:: 49:27:07

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 49:28:01

Pat McCalla

But in every area of the

:: 49:29:06

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 49:30:02

Jeff Rasor

Yeah. We we asked these questions, you know, how do I find the will of God for my life? How do I find that purpose God has for me and for me? It starts in more of the global generic, that isn't generic in Scripture, but it's not specific to our day in this, you know, in this, modern age.

:: 49:44:13

Jeff Rasor

But, love God with all your heart, mind, strength, and love God with all your heart, mind, strength and soul. Am I saying right? Is God is alluding me? Love others as yourself.

:: 49:53:17

Jeff Rasor

when you do that, you're closer to your purpose than 95% of people. When you're loving God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength and loving others as yourself, start there.

:: 50:01:23

Jeff Rasor

And when you do, that is going to open up opportunities to have more impact, more purpose. Next, you know it's it's

:: 50:07:03

Jeff Rasor

classic to.

:: 50:08:06

Jeff Rasor

Yeah sure. Yeah. Yeah. Go for it. Yeah.

:: 50:10:13

Pat McCalla

to jump in again though, this goes back to again what you were saying. Like how someone will love God with all their heart, mind, soul and spirit and love others as themselves, which

:: 50:17:28

Jeff Rasor

Sure, sure. Yeah.

:: 50:19:29

Pat McCalla

how they'll do that? We'll look a little different.

:: 50:22:10

Pat McCalla

This goes back

:: 50:22:24

Jeff Rasor

to sure

:: 50:23:19

Pat McCalla

beginning. Based on what my my core heart

:: 50:26:16

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 50:27:22

Jeff Rasor

Right.

:: 50:28:12

Pat McCalla

may love this person a little differently than this other person will love that

:: 50:32:14

Jeff Rasor

term

:: 50:33:02

Pat McCalla

just because of those things.

:: 50:34:11

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, yeah yeah. Absolutely. No. And it's true.

:: 50:36:11

Jeff Rasor

And go back to volunteerism real quick and I'll come back to that next one.

:: 50:39:12

Jeff Rasor

You know, when I was early in church, volunteered to teach, you know, Sunday school when I was a young adult, or newly married. I didn't love the platform. I didn't love being in front of people. But here I was, stretching that gift in front of fourth through sixth graders.

:: 50:51:08

Jeff Rasor

I found I loved not the teaching part, but the bringing them along side, encouraging them. That was a burden coming out. When I coached my son's baseball teams and football teams, I couldn't tell you X's and O's in football. I could tell you a little bit about baseball, but I was the dugout coach encouraging.

:: 51:05:09

Jeff Rasor

The kid that just struck.

:: 51:06:07

Jeff Rasor

Out, and that's that burn coming alive. So just serve where you can. We had a big Easter drama in our church for years, and, I was invited a couple times to be a disciple. So you got to grow a beard. I can't grow a beard, Pat, to save my life. That's not my life. Calling or burden to be an actor.

:: 51:21:16

Jeff Rasor

But I tested it, right? And I learned through that. So love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. Love others as yourself and do that in those unique ways and find them that you're going to fulfill God's will in your life. More than 95% of the people, if you just start doing that well, certainly the Great Commission follows that as you go in all the world.

:: 51:37:02

Jeff Rasor

But we forget, there's the the movement of mis geology and sending missionaries throughout the world. And it's important, but that sometimes gets like go right and leave. But the real entomology of the really original language says as you're going so that that insight that can inspire us as marketplace leaders like

:: 51:56:02

Jeff Rasor

listen, there's a heroism to being a missionary and having that walk of faith and trusting God for fundraising and being in risky, challenging territory.

:: 52:04:02

Jeff Rasor

I don't want to sell that short, but there's a risk in the marketplace of living your life of faith in front of your colleagues, in front of your your vendors, in front of your clients. And so as you're going, you can really live a purpose in the marketplace as well, and leading others to understanding being that light for them in the world.

:: 52:21:14

Jeff Rasor

ché verse, but it's Jeremiah: 2911

:: 52:43:05

Jeff Rasor

I've designed and crafted plans for you. So trusting that as you're moving forward in your life, your ministry career. And then we're told where his masterpiece, where his workmanship and there is in that a uniqueness that, we can bring to bear that no one else can. And as you find from that global, general purpose and will of God in your life, to that specificity of what is your unique artistry that you bring to the world, I mean, we can live on fire for God and find that purpose.

:: 53:11:03

Pat McCalla

Speaking of this really quick and we'll have to wrap up here

:: 53:13:18

Jeff Rasor

sure,

:: 53:14:05

Pat McCalla

speaking of this really quick, because I love how you talk about the architect and you were going back to the original Hebrew

:: 53:18:06

Jeff Rasor

term,

:: 53:18:27

Pat McCalla

2911, that it's not just saying saying that

:: 53:21:11

Pat McCalla

he thinks a

:: 53:22:07

Jeff Rasor

sure, sure.

:: 53:24:14

Pat McCalla

So again, I just know that we have some listeners that are going, okay, Jeff, I love that idea that he has an architect

:: 53:33:24

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 53:34:09

Pat McCalla

it's a there's a blueprint

:: 53:35:21

Jeff Rasor

right?

:: 53:36:12

Pat McCalla

Why won't he show

:: 53:37:18

Jeff Rasor

Yeah. Yes.

:: 53:39:08

Pat McCalla

so I'm just speaking as I know how some

:: 53:40:29

Jeff Rasor

of.

:: 53:41:05

Jeff Rasor

Yes. Thinking maybe. Yeah.

:: 53:42:19

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 53:42:28

Pat McCalla

Whereas like, I keep asking, I'm saying, show me your will. Show me what you want me to do. Show me what my. But he doesn't seem to be

:: 53:49:00

Jeff Rasor

sure.

:: 53:49:19

Pat McCalla

telling me. It seems to be a mystery. All I get is like, take this next corner.

:: 53:53:29

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, yeah.

:: 53:54:25

Jeff Rasor

No, it's a it's a challenging situation.

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:: 54:07:23

Jeff Rasor

And that's often where we meet most of our clients is in that question mark of like, hey, the clouds are in front of me. I'm not sure I've been asking God, he's not answering in the way he used to, or I'm not hearing in the way I used to. How do I how do I navigate that journey?

:: 54:20:18

Jeff Rasor

And I would say it starts with, like I said, integrating your spiritual, identity with your marketplace identity, if you will, and working with someone that can help you do that and really find that. I think step two is and this is going to sound, maybe heretical, not theologically, but in, in practice, as people who love personal development, you almost have to stop personal development.

:: 54:41:09

Jeff Rasor

It's not enough. If we want to grow personal development, it's the right way. But if we want to transform into that better version of ourselves, it requires a true transformation. Not incremental growth, but true transformation. And so you have to seek a process that's going to bring about that transformation. And there are plenty of times in life I've I've asked those questions and you just go and you trust God and he orchestrates our steps.

:: 55:03:06

Jeff Rasor

We're told he moves us right or left from behind us and and does that. But then there's times where that, that kind of runs out and, and the stakes are higher. And I need that transformational breakthrough. And so that's necessary. And then I would say bring someone alongside that can guide you. Well, that's a mentor, a pastor, someone who's done it before.

:: 55:20:28

Jeff Rasor

And for me, I've had to do this. This is, just genuine. Sometimes you need to invest in that because the investment is where you get skin in the game, and that breakthrough truly happens. And the investment can be blood, sweat, tears, effort, energy, all those things we've always done, but sometimes is I need a professional that's going to guide me to where I'm trying to get.

:: 55:40:13

Jeff Rasor

And, and in my own journey, all this work I've shared with you comes out of navigating this and then reverse engineering how I did it. You know, multitude of careers in a multitude of industries. How did I make those breakthrough moments when God wasn't speaking? But then ultimately, I can probably figure it out. And our listeners who are stuck there, you're going to figure it out if you continue to listen, God, it might be 18 months, 36 months, 3 to 5 years.

:: 56:03:21

Jeff Rasor

And that for you and I, we probably had those journeys where if it wasn't for those wilderness seasons, we don't get to where we are, but sometimes the stakes are high enough. I don't have 18 months. I don't have 36 months to answer these questions. I need leverage. I need to invest in a process and a leader or mentor or guide who's going to help me have that breakthrough and answer those questions, because that's what they're gifted to do.

:: 56:25:04

Jeff Rasor

And once I get that, I'm off and running, and that helps clear those clouds out of the way and sets me in motion to that blue sky.

:: 56:31:02

Pat McCalla

Well, this sets us up really well, to ask you, how can people get Ahold of you? Because I totally agree with what you're

:: 56:36:06

Jeff Rasor

Yeah,

:: 56:36:29

Pat McCalla

it's always hard for someone to do this themselves.

:: 56:39:05

Jeff Rasor

Sure, sure.

:: 56:40:26

Pat McCalla

because I would really encourage if someone if some of our listeners are stuck and are just like, man, I love what Jeff is saying, but I just don't know how to get there.

:: 56:48:03

Pat McCalla

I've tried in the past. Well, reach out to

:: 56:50:14

Jeff Rasor

sure

:: 56:51:09

Pat McCalla

you. This is what you

:: 56:52:10

Jeff Rasor

do. Sure. So

:: 56:53:00

Pat McCalla

how would people get Ahold of you? Where would they find your

:: 56:54:28

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, the easiest place is just a website based on my name, Jeff Razor. We were talking about this earlier. Jeffrey was sorry. I pronounce like a z, but Jeff. Razor.com. Yeah. Razor. Exactly. Not razor. A razor, but Jeff razor. Like the razor scooter or the razor shaver, but nosy and, that's the easiest place to find me.

:: 57:13:08

Jeff Rasor

Instagram at Jeff. Razor.com is there as well. You can find me on Facebook or LinkedIn as well. And I would say I've had to do that in my seasons where there was a gap between where I was and where I wanted to be. And I've made significant investments in coaching and mentoring because I recognized someone had journeyed ahead of me and had figured out all the hard steps and would help me do that more quickly.

:: 57:36:03

Jeff Rasor

Now, I love, as a high achiever the I can solve it. I can find it. So many of our listeners. That's the frustration of always been all, always been able to solve my way through this. And for some reason in this season, I can't. And I would say it's usually that moment of a if I really want this, I'm going to have to draw a line in the sand, invest my whole self into it, maybe even some finances, and get that transformation and breakthrough I need.

:: 57:59:28

Pat McCalla

yeah. Well and what I love that you're saying and and we'll wrap this up then. Jeff is I used to in fact, I posted this years ago on social media. You have no idea where you'll be or what you'll be doing five years from now. Now, I laugh about that, and I go five years from now.

:: 58:14:10

Pat McCalla

You have no idea where you'll be or what you'll be doing a year from

:: 58:16:25

Jeff Rasor

sure.

:: 58:17:23

Pat McCalla

But that does. And that just speaks to there's a lot of mystery in life,

:: 58:20:20

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 58:21:16

Pat McCalla

life long enough, you would be nodding in agreement with what I said. Like, you just you had a plan and, well, I went this right now, but that doesn't mean that you can't have a

:: 58:30:18

Jeff Rasor

blueprint sure to guide you. Sure, sure. It's

:: 58:35:01

Pat McCalla

the fact is, is that following Jesus or living, even if you're listening, you don't believe in Jesus or God. You're still living your life in such a way that it's a journey with a lot of mystery.

:: 58:44:20

Jeff Rasor

Sure,

:: 58:45:14

Pat McCalla

Jesus followers, the same thing.

:: 58:46:24

Jeff Rasor

Sure. Mystery? Sure.

:: 58:48:13

Pat McCalla

but what you're providing is a

:: 58:50:17

Jeff Rasor

blueprint.

:: 58:50:27

Jeff Rasor

Absolutely.

:: 58:51:16

Jeff Rasor

That can

:: 58:51:26

Pat McCalla

really help navigate the mystery of life or the mystery of

:: 58:54:23

Jeff Rasor

Absolutely. And it really, it sounds, theoretical, but when you get that blueprint is a God buried blueprint, I'm not going to tell our clients you should do this or do that. I'm going to help you hear from God through a series of frameworks that really does create that blueprint. Just like you build a building, you can see if you're in alignment with that building or not according to the blueprint.

:: 59:12:09

Jeff Rasor

And so it gives you the gift of being able to navigate those decisions, those those mysteries with more certainty. Does it replace our walk with God in the work of the Holy Spirit to guide us? No, but it does give us a frame of reference, a map or a compass, if you will, that allows me to evaluate this totally aligns this opportunity, this new role, this new business.

:: 59:32:07

Jeff Rasor

I want to start this new ministry, whatever, whatever opportunities coming across this relationship, this volunteering, this board seat I'm on, does it align with who I made to be? If it does, I get to surrender that to God and say, God. This aligns. That matches the blueprint perfectly, if you will. I'm inclined to say yes to doing this, but if you don't want me to do it, I'll listen and give me a reason not to.

:: 59:52:09

Jeff Rasor

Or none of this aligns. I would have been inclined in my own self to just say yes, because I say yes to opportunities, but there's no alignment here. It's going to slow me down. It's going to take me off course. So. So it's going to be frustrating. I'm going to hit a dead end. So, God, I'm inclined to say no because you gave me this blueprint.

:: 00:08:09

Jeff Rasor

But if you want me to say yes for something I can't see, I'll listen.

:: 00:12:06

Jeff Rasor

But it allows us. And here's the real fruit of having, having a true blueprint that you can trust. That is. God. Breathe. It allows me to say yes to the right things and no to the wrong things, which is base level decision making.

:: 00:24:07

Jeff Rasor

But it's important for high achievers and leaders that have a lot of opportunity that comes their way or a lot on their plate or, you know, this elusive work life balance. What do I say, yes or no to? Well, you know what to say yes or no to, but it gets more nuanced than that when you have a a bulletproof, God breathed blueprint, you can say yes to the greater yeses and say no to the lesser yeses.

:: 00:43:24

Jeff Rasor

And I think that's where real, aliveness comes in. Fulfillment is recognizing this is a good yes, but it's going to hold me back from a greater yes. And because I have this blueprint, I know exactly what those greater yeses are. And and that leads to more impact, more fulfillment, more joy,

:: 01:00:21

Jeff Rasor

more of what God has for you.

:: 01:02:22

Pat McCalla

I really like what you just said there that the the the greater. Yes.

:: 01:06:16

Jeff Rasor

sure.

:: 01:07:06

Pat McCalla

settle for good

:: 01:08:05

Jeff Rasor

Sure,

:: 01:08:27

Pat McCalla

when God really wants

:: 01:09:29

Jeff Rasor

sure.

:: 01:10:21

Pat McCalla

for us,

:: 01:11:12

Jeff Rasor

And we want. Great.

:: 01:12:26

Jeff Rasor

We just don't know how to line it up to get there. So we're guessing until we have that blueprint.

:: 01:16:27

Pat McCalla

so good. Well, I really encourage our listeners reach out.

:: 01:19:25

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 01:20:13

Pat McCalla

We'll have that. The information you gave, we'll have it in our description

:: 01:23:10

Jeff Rasor

description.

:: 01:24:05

Jeff Rasor

And it's no pressure. This is a pastor me you felt this I love these conversations. So it's no obligation. Let's jump on a call on a zoom. And let's just talk about how you doing, what God is up to. And if we can serve, we'll look at that. But if not, want to point you where best to serve whatever you need.

:: 01:38:27

Pat McCalla

And I would highly I mean if we have listeners that are in their teens, 20s, early 30s, this is such an important because you're just trying to figure that out anyway.

:: 01:47:03

Jeff Rasor

Well, it's.

:: 01:47:27

Pat McCalla

say in our 20s we're trying to prove ourselves

:: 01:50:02

Jeff Rasor

Sure.

:: 01:50:25

Pat McCalla

we're finally figuring out who we are. So that would be a perfect

:: 01:54:02

Jeff Rasor

time. Yeah,

:: 01:54:28

Pat McCalla

to reach out to Jeff and just help him navigate that.

:: 01:57:25

Pat McCalla

If you're in your, 40s or 50s,

:: 02:00:22

Pat McCalla

it's not over

:: 02:01:18

Jeff Rasor

It's not over,

:: 02:02:14

Pat McCalla

man.

:: 02:02:28

Pat McCalla

If you can get really aligned to those things, and then if you're 60

:: 02:06:01

Jeff Rasor

yeah,

:: 02:06:18

Pat McCalla

90s, I don't care how old you are, as long as you got another day.

:: 02:09:07

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 02:09:24

Pat McCalla

There's a reason to get aligned

:: 02:10:25

Jeff Rasor

Yeah. I'd say there's.

:: 02:12:01

Jeff Rasor

Two major windows. Your 20s. 30s. If you can find this out before most people find it out, you're going to set a trajectory no one else has had. Usually there's a I can solve it need. So inside of like I've got this. And so the hunger and the stakes aren't always quite as high. But if you're forward thinking and you you don't want to make all the mistakes you would till your 40s, I'd say do it.

:: 02:33:00

Jeff Rasor

Most of our clients actually are in their 40s, 50s and 60s that they've lived a lot of life. They've been bumped around, they've had a track record of success, and then they're like, what is this all for? And they have that that second half of life for that, that third or fourth quarter. Some of my clients will say it, that and I want to reorient this.

:: 02:51:09

Jeff Rasor

And now I'm equipped to really step into all that God has for me. So, we were talking about this earlier. No age is too late. If you're here, you've got a purpose. I've had clients in their 70s that have hit that wall, and, like, I've got life in front of me. I want to find it so it's a lot of fun.

:: 03:05:21

Jeff Rasor

Yes,

:: 03:06:07

Pat McCalla

I love that. Well two truths and a lie.

:: 03:08:11

Jeff Rasor

okay.

:: 03:08:29

Pat McCalla

with this one. It's kind of ironic because no gray areas. I'm going to ask you to lie to me. So you're going to give me three statements.

:: 03:14:10

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 03:14:22

Pat McCalla

Two of them will be truths. One will be a lie. I have to try to guess what the lie is.

:: 03:18:12

Jeff Rasor

All right.

:: 03:18:26

Pat McCalla

fun way for our audience to get to know you a little

:: 03:20:15

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, I'm going to embarrass myself on this, but this is always my go to in this game. So,

:: 03:25:00

Jeff Rasor

truth one, I've never been stung by a bee. Truth two I was, as a young man, early teenager, a competitive accordion player, and number three, truth number three that you get to decipher is I've run a sub three hour marathon

:: 03:42:06

Pat McCalla

Oh, man, those are good. So you've never been stung by

:: 03:45:14

Jeff Rasor

Maybe.

:: 03:46:03

Pat McCalla

accordion player.

:: 03:47:08

Jeff Rasor

Competitive accordion.

:: 03:48:08

Jeff Rasor

Player.

:: 03:48:28

Pat McCalla

sub three hour marathon? I'm going to go with the sub three hours of truth.

:: 03:52:27

Jeff Rasor

Is that your guess? That's one of your guesses okay. All right

:: 03:56:02

Pat McCalla

I'm going to say that's true

:: 03:57:02

Jeff Rasor

okay.

:: 03:57:19

Jeff Rasor

not true. It's a dream. It's a dream. But that is the one that hasn't happened. I've run like.

:: 04:03:10

Pat McCalla

You've never been stung by a

:: 04:04:25

Jeff Rasor

bee.

:: 04:04:27

Jeff Rasor

Never been stung by a bee. And I was in a competitive accordion player.

:: 04:09:08

Jeff Rasor

No, those are both true. Yes. Oh, man.

:: 04:13:04

Jeff Rasor

My dad grew up in music with his his family. And, when we were little, he got cold called by a local accordion school and my brother and I had not played an instrument. And they said, can we put your kids in accordion lessons for a month for free? And I remember they came over and we put them on, and we just started doing lessons when I was probably eight, 7 or 8 years old, and I probably played till I was 15.

:: 04:34:15

Jeff Rasor

And my parents basement has the boxes of trophies to prove that I was both competitive and successful. And, my kids still ask me, dad, do you know music? I was like, I knew how to read music. I knew nothing about music theory, and I can't read music like that anymore. So.

:: 04:49:07

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, I have

:: 04:49:27

Pat McCalla

fond memories of the accordion because the school I went to from second grade through 12th grade, the superintendent of school would play the accordion.

:: 04:56:07

Jeff Rasor

Oh my

:: 04:56:25

Pat McCalla

so we would start school with, us

:: 04:59:13

Jeff Rasor

singing or something and

:: 05:00:12

Pat McCalla

he'd have the accordion. And then I went back after I graduated, and I was a teacher there for almost ten years.

:: 05:04:28

Jeff Rasor

Wow. Still

:: 05:05:21

Pat McCalla

the superintendent and he still played the

:: 05:07:22

Jeff Rasor

accordion.

:: 05:08:00

Jeff Rasor

There's no way we connect it over accordion. In this podcast, the strangest of things.

:: 05:14:18

Pat McCalla

Well, there's no joke to play that,

:: 05:16:04

Jeff Rasor

Yeah, it was real, though. Yes.

:: 05:18:20

Pat McCalla

that thing. You're playing the piano over

:: 05:20:12

Jeff Rasor

here.

:: 05:20:16

Jeff Rasor

Yes, yes.

:: 05:22:13

Jeff Rasor

It's been a long time.

:: 05:23:14

Pat McCalla

Well, all right, you got me.

:: 05:24:29

Jeff Rasor

Yeah.

:: 05:25:11

Jeff Rasor

I do want to run a sub three hour marathon that's on the dream list. So I'm trying to put action to those dreams. We'll see if it happens.

:: 05:30:27

Pat McCalla

good luck with

:: 05:31:15

Jeff Rasor

that.

:: 05:31:18

Jeff Rasor

Yeah. Thank you. Pat.

:: 05:32:14

Jeff Rasor

Thank you so much.

:: 05:33:05

Jeff Rasor

Yeah,

:: 05:33:20

Pat McCalla

podcast. Appreciate

:: 05:34:15

Jeff Rasor

yeah. Thank you I appreciate it.

:: 05:36:02

Host

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