Why Your Diet Shapes Your Life: The Truth About Nutrition | Ep. 107 with Thad Phillips

In this empowering episode, Pat McCalla and Thad Phillips dive into the essential steps to take control of your health in 2025. With 25 years of experience in the fitness and nutrition industry—and now serving as head of church security at one of the largest churches in the West—Thad shares insights on why fitness is not just a physical journey, but a mental and spiritual one, too. He breaks down the dangers of fad diets, the power of tracking your food, and the importance of making small, manageable changes for long-term success. Thad also emphasizes the impact of finding a true purpose behind health goals, explaining how discovering your “why” can provide the urgency and persistence needed to make lasting lifestyle changes.

Thad brings a holistic approach to fitness, drawing parallels between maintaining a healthy body and tuning up a valuable vehicle. He shares practical tips like using MyFitnessPal to create daily accountability, balancing macronutrients, and setting realistic goals that evolve over time. This episode is filled with valuable advice for listeners at any stage of their wellness journey, offering a powerful reminder to be proactive in health—because taking control today can lead to a happier, healthier tomorrow.

No Grey Areas is a motivational podcast with captivating guests centered around how our choices humanize, empower, and define who we become. This podcast is inspired by the cautionary tale, No Grey Areas, written by Joseph Gagliano. Learn more about the truth behind his story involved with sports' biggest scandal at https://www.nogreyareas.com/

Transcript

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Host

Welcome back to the No Gray Areas podcast. I'm your host, Patrick McCullough. In part two of our wellness series, I sit down with fitness and nutrition expert Thad Phillips, who brings 25 years of experience to the table to reveal truths and tangible ideas about diet, sustainable fitness, finding your why for lasting health. Let's jump in.

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Pat McCalla

Thad Phillips welcome to the

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Thad Phillips

November Care podcast

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Pat McCalla

Brandon welcome to co-hosting. Yeah. And anybody who's been listening to us knows who you are. Probably. But

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Thad Phillips

that. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

give us a little background on on

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Thad Phillips

who you are.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah. So I.

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Thad Phillips

I'm married, married for almost 30 years. Two kids that are not kids anymore. They're adults. I got 24 and 21 year old.

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Thad Phillips

So.

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Thad Phillips

Background on me a little bit. I've been in the fitness was in the fitness industry for about 25 years. Doing some pretty, high level fitness stuff for a large corporation out here in Arizona.

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Pat McCalla

Yeah. And that's one of the reasons that we're having you on, because this is dropping. This episode is dropping in January.

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Thad Phillips

Yep.

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Pat McCalla

People have made goals and New Year's resolutions

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Pat McCalla

and statistics say that about 70% of those, New Year's resolutions will be around fitness.

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Pat McCalla

So we wanted to have you on, and it's really a two parter,

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Thad Phillips

Sure.

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Pat McCalla

will, because we had doctor Melody on, and, and she talked a little bit about this, but we wanted to have you help us

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Pat McCalla

actually follow through with those goals, because I bet a lot of the

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Thad Phillips

audience is

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Pat McCalla

like I have been many times where I'm like, okay, this is the year

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Thad Phillips

Yeah,

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Pat McCalla

I'm going to get in

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Pat McCalla

shape this year.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah. And

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Pat McCalla

then, you know, three weeks later

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Thad Phillips

We're about.

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Pat McCalla

So we

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Thad Phillips

want to talk through perfect.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

also are in church security as

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Thad Phillips

well I am yeah. It's kind of.

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Thad Phillips

Kind of a weird twist on how things, how God puts you in certain places. So, so I was doing, fitness for about 25 years as a, as a career. And, for a large portion of that time, I was doing church security as a volunteer, but, kind of a lead volunteer. So. Pretty big role in volunteering.

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Thad Phillips

I currently have flip flop that. So I am currently as a career. I do church security, and, as kind of a ministry now I do more of the diet stuff, more of the fitness stuff. So.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah. Yeah. And so.

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Thad Phillips

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Pat McCalla

for some of our audience so sad that that may go church security.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

know. And before we turned on our mics, we were all laughing about this.

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Pat McCalla

it's a real

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Thad Phillips

thing.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah. And it's a serious thing. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

FBI, over a decade ago said that one of the biggest threats were sporting events

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Thad Phillips

Church.

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Thad Phillips

Events. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

And and so it's a serious thing. And that's where we actually

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Thad Phillips

met. Yep.

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Pat McCalla

So I was speaking at a larger church, and you were part of the executive security

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Thad Phillips

team. You would

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Pat McCalla

follow me around, and, and then when I was up there speaking,

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Thad Phillips

you were off the dark. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

watching the audience.

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Pat McCalla

But again, tell, tell. And we're going to get into health stuff in a

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Thad Phillips

moment.

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Thad Phillips

Sure.

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Pat McCalla

this is just interesting. Let the audience know, like why that is important.

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Thad Phillips

Like. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

why a, church would have security

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Thad Phillips

know.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah,

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Thad Phillips

a lot of people.

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Thad Phillips

Think you no church security. And the first thing they run to is like an active shooter coming in, which is a it's really, really slim. I mean, the FBI did a thing and, over the last 35 years, it's like a .000, I think there's six zeros before you get to the percentage of when, when an.

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Thad Phillips

Active shooter come.

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Thad Phillips

Down the field.

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Thad Phillips

Exactly. It's a it's a.

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Thad Phillips

Very small chance. Yeah. Exactly that that you're going to have something like that.

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Thad Phillips

But the, the odds of having something.

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Thad Phillips

Happen, on a weekly basis because.

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Thad Phillips

The church is for hurting people. I mean, that's why we're there.

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Thad Phillips

So, you're going to have people that are, you know, hurting. So they're coming. They're, people hurt. Hurt people hurt people. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, we we get incidences as far as, you know, people coming in and, you know, they're having a bad day as far as, like, domestically, you know, to leave with the kids, those type of things too, you know, and we get medical incidences as well.

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Thad Phillips

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Thad Phillips

one of your.

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Pat McCalla

interesting stories that. So you've been doing this for quite a while.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah.

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Thad Phillips

So about 16 years or so. Yeah, I've been doing that.

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Thad Phillips

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Pat McCalla

give us one of the stories that again our audience

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Thad Phillips

Yeah,

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Pat McCalla

is some of them are probably going I don't understand why that church

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Thad Phillips

Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

So give us a story that you've had to deal with. It would would help our audience understand

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Thad Phillips

Sure, sure.

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Thad Phillips

This is so I would say probably.

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Thad Phillips

One of the larger incidents. And it's funny when I do, when I do training for somebody that comes in, you know, I'll give them, different examples of things that have happened. So they're kind of prepared. What is going to be because we get the same thing sometimes they're wondering what church security is all about. A lot of them just run right to that.

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Thad Phillips

You know, somebody coming in there to hurt somebody. And I'll give them incidences and they're like, wow, all this happens at a church. And you're like, well, this is over 16 years. I mean, you can go months where you have nothing and then you can go days where, you know, I went weeks where I didn't have anything.

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Thad Phillips

And there was one day I had, fire out front because, a lady fell off the curb and went straight to her head, and she was bleeding and unconscious. And then I had police out back because somebody tried to break in, and they threw a rock through the back window. So it's.

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Thad Phillips

Weird. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Thad Phillips

Right before service. So. Yeah. So.

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Thad Phillips

It's, it's a strange thing where you can go for a long time. So.

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Thad Phillips

But, you know, we have, we have people who.

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Thad Phillips

Have come into the church in, in they said God has told them to do something, and it's generally something that's going to be disruptive. So, probably our craziest story, which which is weird because God's always he's always there to kind of give us a heads up when, when something like that is going to happen. We we had a guy that was in the lobby and he was pacing back and forth in the lobby, and he just didn't look right in.

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Thad Phillips

And that's kind of what we call them, is dealers. They just they don't look right or they don't act right. And, he was pacing back and forth. One of the security individuals went and talked to him.

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Thad Phillips

And that's what we do. So we we go.

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Thad Phillips

When any time somebody doesn't look right, doesn't act.

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Thad Phillips

Right, our thing is just to go chat.

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Thad Phillips

With them. So, and we don't introduce.

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Thad Phillips

Yourself as security.

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Thad Phillips

We just go up and say, I'm, you know, I'm fat with, you know, whatever where we're with whatever church with. So, and just try to get to know you're going to find out right away if you if there's going to be a threat or if it's going to be, you know, something else. So you're going to be dealing with or they're just having a bad day, which is mainly what it is.

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Thad Phillips

But this individual who is a large individual, a large male, said, God told me I needed to get on stage and I needed to speak to the.

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Thad Phillips

Congregation in like, sure, you know, that's that's.

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Thad Phillips

Not going to happen. We can't we.

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Thad Phillips

Can't do that. Well, God told me I have to do it.

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Thad Phillips

And I'm like,

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Thad Phillips

That's probably not what we're going to have happen today, you know. But you know if you want to, you want to go inside and have a seat. Now I don't want to sit. So he's walking back and forth. And luckily the guy in the lobby that contact, you know, made a radio call out, hey, we had an individual out here said he wanted to get on the stage.

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Thad Phillips

He's he's looks pretty aggravated. Probably 3 or 4 minutes later we hear he's comedy.

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Thad Phillips

Comedy's coming over the radio and we see a guy running down the center of the aisle.

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Thad Phillips

And, he leaves.

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Thad Phillips

Up on the stage by the time he leaves up.

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Thad Phillips

On the stage, we already knew he was coming. There was a guy in the front row. He grabs his feet and scoops him off the stage. And, the guy was pretty competitive all the way out, so, turned out to be a problem for weeks on end after that, too.

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Thad Phillips

But part

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Pat McCalla

of the moral of that story is don't trust everybody who says, I have a word from God for

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Thad Phillips

you.

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Thad Phillips

Exactly, exactly. Yeah.

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Thad Phillips

I've

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Pat McCalla

Learned that in my life that even I'm being a little silly

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Thad Phillips

here. Yeah,

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Pat McCalla

truly, to to take this kind of in a serious direction, I've had a lot of people that have come up to me over the years and said, you know, I have a word from God for you. And sometimes it truly

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Thad Phillips

has. Sure. Yeah.

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Thad Phillips

And other

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Pat McCalla

times it's been like, okay, that was crazy.

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Thad Phillips

I believe God speaks to everybody.

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Thad Phillips

I mean, you and what you do, but but yeah, some.

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Thad Phillips

Sometimes it's sometimes. Yeah, sometimes.

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Thad Phillips

That's not always God's voice to be able.

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Thad Phillips

To hear it. Yeah. Yeah.

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Thad Phillips

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Pat McCalla

So let's jump into, the health and fitness.

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Thad Phillips

okay.

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Pat McCalla

what do you believe? Just as a as a person of faith.

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Pat McCalla

You believe that we've been created holistically.

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Thad Phillips

Sure.

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Pat McCalla

spiritual

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Pat McCalla

and and that all of those are important.

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Pat McCalla

So speaking to that a

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Thad Phillips

little.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

I think of that verse, especially in the Bible where says physical training is of some value.

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Thad Phillips

And I've heard

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Pat McCalla

people misinterpret that because

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Thad Phillips

Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

would be like, oh, see, it's it's of no value. And I said, that's not what he's saying,

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Thad Phillips

No,

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Pat McCalla

that Paul, when he's writing

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Thad Phillips

That is something that,

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Pat McCalla

that the spiritual life is, is, is the most important,

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Thad Phillips

But the

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Pat McCalla

physical is also important because we've

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Thad Phillips

make everything. Yeah. Holistically.

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Pat McCalla

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Thad Phillips

speaking of that.

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Thad Phillips

mean, I always I go back to like.

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Thad Phillips

Thinking, you know, your dad gave you a really nice car, you know, and, and he wants you to this car, if you take care of it, it's going to last forever. And then, you know, you start beating up on the car and not taking care of it, you know, how would he feel on that? So I think we've been given a vessel to do to do his work.

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Thad Phillips

I think, by taking care of that vessel's going to be able to, to make you healthier. And I think when you're healthier, you're healthier for other people as well, too. So, spiritually speaking, for me, exercise is, you know, it's one facet. You know, the diet I feel is the most important as far as.

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Thad Phillips

Is, is.

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Thad Phillips

What your body is doing and that type of thing. But, exercise now, as I've gotten older, is more of a mental break for me. So being able to step out and do an hour of something a day and just kind of disconnect from, from everything else, it's it's, it's it provides clarity and it's almost a spiritual thing as well too.

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Thad Phillips

So, it just makes me better for the next part of my day. I think it makes me better as a as a person.

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Pat McCalla

I think you bring up a great point again that that holistically because they're all tied together,

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Thad Phillips

sure. I

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Pat McCalla

think in our Western mindset, we dichotomies

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Pat McCalla

So we kind of have our silo of the physical.

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Thad Phillips

We have the

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Pat McCalla

spirits. But they're they're not that way. We're created whole.

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Thad Phillips

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Pat McCalla

if you don't think that your physical will affect your spiritual, emotional, don't eat for 3 or 4 days

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Thad Phillips

Yeah.

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Thad Phillips

Oh yeah.

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Thad Phillips

See

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Pat McCalla

how that starting to affect

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Thad Phillips

you? Sure. Yeah. Spiritually. Right. So they are all tied together.

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Pat McCalla

So I love your illustration though, of it's like getting a nice vehicle

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Pat McCalla

and taking care of it

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Thad Phillips

because,

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Pat McCalla

because the body that we have is the one that God has given us. And he's put beginning of the narrative us in dominion

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Thad Phillips

Yeah. The

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Pat McCalla

power and complexity of human choice,

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Thad Phillips

Yeah. What we talk about. Yeah. This podcast. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

and we make choices every day on how we're going to care for that.

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Thad Phillips

Yep.

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Pat McCalla

right. And that's what you're saying.

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Thad Phillips

Exactly.

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Pat McCalla

Brandon.

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Pat McCalla

What are some of your thoughts about that just holistically being created holistically and how that's important.

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Brandon Lopez

yeah. Yeah. No, I think I 100% agree, I think that, as a human being, if there is an aspect of what is being human, then that's something that is a performance. I don't think that we were created with a physical body, just to,

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Thad Phillips

be trash.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah, yeah.

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Brandon Lopez

we're, you know, but, so I think that

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Brandon Lopez

and you could definitely speak to this, that especially with in your experience, I think that for most people, I think most people would be surprised just how overall unhealthy of society that we are, how little you actually have to do when it comes to eating and how little of physical activity got to do

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Brandon Lopez

to get like some great benefits, health benefits,

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Thad Phillips

just like a lot of people

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Brandon Lopez

associate exercise with. I got to get bigger biceps or

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Thad Phillips

something, which

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Thad Phillips

yes, very bad

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Brandon Lopez

for everything. Like you get an argument biceps.

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Pat McCalla

Yeah.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Thad Phillips

Well

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Brandon Lopez

to like. I think it was Plato like when he, like, was getting stomped in debates, he would just stand up and flex at people because apparently

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Thad Phillips

Really good wrestlers.

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Thad Phillips

He's like the old in the.

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Thad Phillips

Olden days rock.

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Thad Phillips

Right. That. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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Thad Phillips

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Brandon Lopez

how a little though, like just to even just be a healthy individual. How much even just as little as just moving in the form of just walking.

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Brandon Lopez

How even eating. Just. And I want to, you know, measure to this too, because you mentioned that in it sounds like in your experience, if you were to put, based off what you said, when you put them together, like fitness and exercise and then nutrition, you said that you felt like nutrition carries more

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Thad Phillips

weight.

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Thad Phillips

It does that.

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Thad Phillips

And you made the analogy

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Brandon Lopez

to a car.

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Thad Phillips

And I love

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Brandon Lopez

analogy, because the way I look at it sometimes is when you go to the gas pump, you look at, you know, there's regular plus and then premium and

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Brandon Lopez

I use regular all the time.

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Thad Phillips

But I've heard.

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Thad Phillips

You.

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Thad Phillips

Say that when they use premium,

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Brandon Lopez

they find that overall maintenance for their car is so

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Thad Phillips

Sure. They don't

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Brandon Lopez

have as many repairs that, you know, need to come with that. And I feel like if we're to look at the human body as like a machinery,

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Brandon Lopez

that the things that we put in our body is going to only make that machine function more appropriately

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Brandon Lopez

and, and just better. So,

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Brandon Lopez

let's dive into that a little bit.

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Brandon Lopez

Of course, like we can talk about like, fitness and exercise. But I think for a lot of people, like it's one thing for nutrition, you probably said

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Thad Phillips

okay,

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Brandon Lopez

just eat good and stop eating crap.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah.

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Brandon Lopez

And that's pretty simple.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah.

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Brandon Lopez

But I think in execution

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Thad Phillips

you have a harder.

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Thad Phillips

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Brandon Lopez

in your experience, you said like for what, 24 or 25

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Thad Phillips

years. Yeah.

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Brandon Lopez

of being a fitness professional?

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Brandon Lopez

How did you go about that with your clients

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Thad Phillips

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Thad Phillips

ad a little small gyms, about: 1100

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Thad Phillips

It became the largest, larger company as University of Phoenix. I can say that. So, we went from about 800 when I started there to about 10,000 employees. This CEO there,

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Thad Phillips

thought fitness and wellness was important. So, they brought me on to kind of oversee that program and, build a little gym, and we built a little one and started with that.

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Thad Phillips

And then the, that transformed, as the company grew and the next CEO came in and I got lucky again, that he was really behind fitness and wellness and the employees that we reached with that. And there was, you know, 801,000, we're a huge proponent of it. And some of them were pretty high up in the company.

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Thad Phillips

So, they, they provided the backing for me to, to move,

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Thad Phillips

the fitness program to, you know, at the, at the height, we had 10,000 employees. We had to 25,000ft fitness centers, in two different areas. So

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Thad Phillips

we were very large. It was pretty much free to all the employees. So, they.

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Pat McCalla

could just really quick they could, like, during the day,

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Thad Phillips

Yep.

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Thad Phillips

They were encouraged. Yeah.

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Pat McCalla

to go workout and work with

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Thad Phillips

you and you

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Pat McCalla

would put together a workout plan for my health plan for

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Thad Phillips

them if they want it.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah. So in.

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Thad Phillips

The beginning it was workout.

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Thad Phillips

With me, in the, in the middle, in the heart of it. I had 13 trainers, that they would work. They get free personal training as well. We do nutritional counseling. We did incentive programs. And we literally had thousands of people that were taking part in this program because it was free. The, the company made it convenient.

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Thad Phillips

And, it was, it was something that everybody saw the benefit from. So, that.

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Thad Phillips

What's nice with me is it

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Thad Phillips

for me to be able to work with people because I was.

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Thad Phillips

Already in the fitness industry, probably six, seven, eight years before that. I owned my own personal training company for a while. That type of thing. But it got to where I could work with somebody who was in their mid 20s that was just came out of college. You know, a former athlete all the way into their 65 full time executive working 80 hours a week, you know.

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Thad Phillips

So it gives you a really broad base of of people, you know, just see what works for who. Because, you know, and I did it over 20 years. So I did it when there was, you know, South Beach diet in the cookie diet, you know what I mean? That all these crazy fads.

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Thad Phillips

And diets and. Oh, yeah, fast diets.

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Thad Phillips

That I would have to listen to when people would come in and I would, you know, I could work with them throughout that whole process. And it it's funny, after how I evolved and how the program evolved by seeing what worked long term and.

:: 15:18:22

Thad Phillips

What what was also cool is.

:: 15:20:28

Thad Phillips

You know, they we would have people that worked with us for ten years, you know, so you got to see, I would get a good picture of someone because I could see that they lost. They made their New Year's resolution, we did an incentive program and they lost 25 pounds and everybody would cheer them on. And then by August, September, they gained that 25 back by the holidays hit.

:: 15:41:00

Thad Phillips

Now they were up another five and we would run another incentive program and they would jump back on and

:: 15:46:13

Thad Phillips

you know, ten years prior, they may you know, they may have been, you know, 100 and 340 pounds and ten years later, now there are still a hundred and 6,070 pounds, and they've done ten incentive programs. So, but vice versa, we've seen what works.

:: 15:59:22

Thad Phillips

Whereas the long term stuff, it's you're here for the long term, the journey. And that's where the benefit came from. And that's where the program I shifted more, over the last five years to that. And today, that's how I still help people is, there's some basic things you can do that long term, will keep the weight off and and what people don't understand, and I always tell them is the journey along the way.

:: 16:25:03

Thad Phillips

So the journey that they're going through,

:: 16:27:15

Thad Phillips

it makes them, more ownership of that program as well too.

:: 16:31:25

Thad Phillips

So, yeah.

:: 16:32:25

Thad Phillips

:: 16:33:18

Pat McCalla

to Brandon's point or to his question that he was asking, that's really good background that you're

:: 16:38:01

Thad Phillips

telling me

:: 16:38:22

Pat McCalla

you've seen

:: 16:40:03

Thad Phillips

didn't work for

:: 16:41:23

Pat McCalla

most of the

:: 16:43:08

Pat McCalla

listening myself included,

:: 16:44:24

Thad Phillips

Yeah,

:: 16:45:10

Pat McCalla

lot of those things

:: 16:45:28

Thad Phillips

where it's like,

:: 16:46:15

Pat McCalla

okay, this is the year,

:: 16:48:05

Pat McCalla

and then you do it for 2 or 3 months and then you're right back

:: 16:50:23

Thad Phillips

to where you were.

:: 16:51:16

Pat McCalla

But then you've also seen what really worked long term. So what are some of the tangible things that you did or saw that helped people really keep these goals long term?

:: 17:00:19

Thad Phillips

So going back to the nutrition aspect of it. So it all starts with food. It really does. You can't we always just say you can't outwork a bad diet. So you can you can go to the gym and vice versa. We see people who come in, you know, all five days a week, and they were still gaining weight and still overweight, because they didn't have the nutrition aspect down to it.

:: 17:17:23

Thad Phillips

So, the number one thing that I recommend to everybody now is, is tracking everything you eat. It it sounds like.

:: 17:24:17

Thad Phillips

A lot.

:: 17:25:00

Thad Phillips

But it's it's gotten incredibly easy over the years. As far as the apps that we have, when I first started having, people track everything they eat, it was really hard, you know, you had to go out and go on Google or there was a couple of nutrition pages that you would search something. You do that.

:: 17:41:16

Thad Phillips

So, but there's tons of fitness apps out there now. The first thing I do tangibly, when I get with somebody is I get them to download my fitness. It's an easy fitness app. Use the free version. It's got millions of items in it. And then, we start tracking their foods. So that's the that's the number one thing you don't know where to go if you don't know where you're at.

:: 18:03:08

Thad Phillips

So, you know, because I would get people to come in and be like, you know, I eat twice a day. I don't understand why I'm gaining weight. You know, it's, Let's get this tracked and see what you're actually doing. And what that does is that gives them the knowledge as well. Knowledge is power in this.

:: 18:18:19

Thad Phillips

So the journey that they go through, gaining the knowledge, doing that is, is where the real benefit comes. So,

:: 18:24:22

Thad Phillips

it's by far the number one thing that I recommend people do.

:: 18:27:00

Thad Phillips

So.

:: 18:27:11

Thad Phillips

Yeah. So you're saying number one,

:: 18:28:26

Pat McCalla

just download one of these fitness apps

:: 18:31:14

Thad Phillips

Yep.

:: 18:31:21

Pat McCalla

where it's tracking your food

:: 18:33:08

Thad Phillips

Yep.

:: 18:33:19

Pat McCalla

and then just start doing that

:: 18:35:02

Thad Phillips

Just start doing that.

:: 18:36:00

Pat McCalla

you eat, and then you're going to start finding out. Because for people that don't know these fitness apps will or these these nutritional things will track every like you can just take a picture

:: 18:44:27

Thad Phillips

sometimes

:: 18:45:06

Pat McCalla

of the barcode

:: 18:45:23

Thad Phillips

on it

:: 18:46:13

Pat McCalla

and it'll automatically tell you, did you eat one serving or two servings, then just telling you, how much protein, how much carbs, how much fat?

:: 18:52:28

Pat McCalla

All of that.

:: 18:53:09

Thad Phillips

Right.

:: 18:54:00

Thad Phillips

Yeah that's exactly it. So

:: 18:55:04

Thad Phillips

when I start somebody depending on what level they're at. But I like to we'll.

:: 18:59:05

Thad Phillips

ng. They want to start eating: 1200

:: 19:15:06

Thad Phillips

They're making all these life changes that aren't going to be applicable later on down the road. I like to do one small increment at a time. The first thing we do is we'll download the app. You spoke about macros.

:: 19:27:07

Thad Phillips

When you download the app, we do have to put.

:: 19:28:27

Thad Phillips

A you're going to want to put a basic start of like how many calories you're at. And a lot of people like, I just don't even know how many calories to start at. There's websites out there, but, the Mayo Clinic has one that you just you punch in 5 or 6 different things height, weight, age, and then activity level.

:: 19:44:24

Thad Phillips

And it'll give you kind of your basic what this is your baseline amount of calories if you're trying to lose weight. You know, you reduce that by a couple hundred and then punch that in as your calories. A it'll ask you macros so your macros just protein, fat and carbs for a lot of people don't realize that as well too.

:: 20:03:09

Thad Phillips

And I'll ask you, percentages there. A really good baseline for that is 40% protein, 40% carbs, 20% fat.

:: 20:09:28

Thad Phillips

So but.

:: 20:11:08

Thad Phillips

These apps keep track of all that.

:: 20:12:25

Thad Phillips

It does. Yeah. So MyFitnessPal does do all this for free.

:: 20:16:03

Thad Phillips

it'll have four different, spots that you can put meals on there. And what's great about it is.

:: 20:21:07

Thad Phillips

If you eat.

:: 20:22:13

Thad Phillips

The same thing, you can actually the next day you just swipe over it or just swipe that same meal, swipe right over. So for me, I eat the same breakfast. I've eaten the same basically the same breakfast for about 20 years. Yes, I'm kind of bland that way, but.

:: 20:36:13

Thad Phillips

I've gotten used to it, I like it. So, and I also.

:: 20:39:16

Thad Phillips

Eat the same post-workout meal.

:: 20:41:22

Thad Phillips

Pretty much. So two of my meals a day are pretty much the same.

:: 20:44:27

Thad Phillips

So I can literally.

:: 20:45:23

Thad Phillips

Swipe over twice. So really, you're only adding in two meals at that point in time to,

:: 20:49:25

Thad Phillips

I try to get somebody to download the app. I have just a few basic steps in beginning. I just want to download the app and start tracking everything you eat. Seeing how close they get to those calories. We don't care about the macros in the beginning, because.

:: 21:02:11

Thad Phillips

The macros makes it a little bit harder. Everybody.

:: 21:05:11

Thad Phillips

I won't say everybody. Most people will not eat enough protein too. They have too much fat.

:: 21:09:21

Thad Phillips

So that's the hardest thing. But if we can get them to where they're just getting to their calorie mark on that.

:: 21:15:02

Thad Phillips

Then at that point you can start tweaking things, get them used to tracking foods, used to do anything. Sometimes just just eat breakfast. I mean, I, I've done, challenges where we just eat breakfast, so we just tried it. I mean, some people don't eat until noon.

:: 21:29:01

Thad Phillips

Why is that important?

:: 21:31:00

Thad Phillips

Well, it's getting that first meal, and, I mean, there's things.

:: 21:35:11

Thad Phillips

Metabolically that that make a big difference.

:: 21:38:13

Thad Phillips

It provides long, sustained energy.

:: 21:41:07

Thad Phillips

It just seems like something breaking that breakfast is breaking it fast. It makes the, I believe, is the most important meal of the day. It it gets everything kind of moving when your first meal is Dutch brothers, you know, and it's a large coffee. And I'm speaking from all the experience of the years of all these executive that's a common executive thing is, you know, they swing through Dutch Brothers or Starbucks on the way to work, and they drink that until about noon, and then they all go out to eat and eat something really bad.

:: 22:07:04

Thad Phillips

And then they don't eat again until dinner. And they eat really bad, and they're gaining weight, like like, man.

:: 22:11:03

Pat McCalla

So a lot of Dutch brothers or a Starbucks

:: 22:13:21

Thad Phillips

Frappuccino.

:: 22:14:24

Thad Phillips

Exactly.

:: 22:15:15

Pat McCalla

60g of sugar

:: 22:16:09

Thad Phillips

Exactly, exactly. And that's where tracking your foods is great as well. So once you have that MyFitnessPal, you track everything you eat and you got to track your liquid calories because there's a lot of people.

:: 22:26:07

Thad Phillips

Don't realize that too. They're getting this too, that liquid calories as well too. But if I could recommend anything, the first thing I do when I get people going is I get them to get on that app and start tracking it. It creates ownership, too.

:: 22:38:07

Thad Phillips

People want something.

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Thad Phillips

Something that simple.

:: 22:41:23

Thad Phillips

Is rarely easy, if that makes sense. So this is really simple. But it's not always easy to do. So if I can get people that ownership.

:: 22:50:25

Thad Phillips

Jump in really quick. That's such a great point view. Yeah,

:: 22:54:00

Pat McCalla

It's simple, but not

:: 22:56:00

Pat McCalla

because I think, I'm doing this right now

:: 22:58:15

Pat McCalla

recently

:: 22:59:02

Thad Phillips

and. Yeah.

:: 22:59:17

Pat McCalla

me about that, and Brandon, he has a fitness thing going,

:: 23:02:19

Pat McCalla

and he's doing that as well. So you guys are both making me do this, and, it it isn't like you do have to start forming a habit.

:: 23:09:12

Pat McCalla

it is simple.

:: 23:10:04

Thad Phillips

It is. It's very simple.

:: 23:11:17

Pat McCalla

Like, a lot of times, you know, you eat something and then I just turn it over. I take a picture of

:: 23:15:23

Thad Phillips

Sure.

:: 23:16:09

Pat McCalla

and boom, it automatically drops it in

:: 23:18:02

Thad Phillips

there. Yeah.

:: 23:18:14

Pat McCalla

you got to get the habit of doing that. Here's where. And I'm just going to be really transparent with you

:: 23:23:09

Thad Phillips

Yeah. Oh yeah.

:: 23:23:27

Pat McCalla

Brandon.

:: 23:24:05

Pat McCalla

You have clients that are like this I find myself is I start tracking this is when I'm doing well. Nice. Because,

:: 23:31:22

Pat McCalla

I always want to take that next

:: 23:32:21

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 23:33:04

Pat McCalla

gory in it. But when I sit down, this is

:: 23:35:25

Pat McCalla

a hypothetical situation to sit and eat a bag of maple.

:: 23:40:12

Thad Phillips

sirup. It's super hypothetical. Yeah. And

:: 23:44:29

Pat McCalla

2 or 3 days ago. And I'm just going to have a couple handfuls of the, the, the popcorn,

:: 23:51:00

Pat McCalla

popcorn from Trader Joe's.

:: 23:52:05

Thad Phillips

Sure.

:: 23:52:20

Pat McCalla

And then I eat a whole bag of it. I don't want to then go take a picture of the back and put that

:: 23:57:05

Thad Phillips

in.

:: 23:57:09

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 23:57:22

Pat McCalla

app. Because do you find that where people then start cheating on that, where they're going?

:: 24:02:08

Pat McCalla

I'm asking you to track. You're not going to know what's really happening unless you're honestly

:: 24:07:14

Thad Phillips

putting up.

:: 24:08:13

Thad Phillips

That's why tracking foods.

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Thad Phillips

There's so many other benefits to this is it's keeping you accountable. You realized what you did. The biggest thing I always tell people is it's consistency is the key. So, yes, you eat a whole bag of maple popcorn, but if you can get that mindset, you have your why where you can be like, all right, I'm I'm going to I'm going to add that in.

:: 24:29:03

Thad Phillips

Wow, I just went over by: 1500

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Thad Phillips

Tomorrow's a new day. The app starts over.

:: 24:35:04

Thad Phillips

At zero every day. So every day you have a new fresh start. So I always tell people.

:: 24:40:12

Thad Phillips

Consistency is the key over long term. So yeah you messed up right there. But the app started at zero the next morning when you woke up. So you start over. And what's great is if you do what you should do and eat breakfast.

:: 24:53:01

Thad Phillips

Every day, it's roughly the same breakfast. It's a good, healthy breakfast.

:: 24:56:14

Thad Phillips

It starts over at zero and you make that first swipe.

:: 24:58:27

Thad Phillips

You just accomplished a task. It's it's like make your bed. I mean, there's a whole book on that, you know?

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Thad Phillips

So it's, it's that first task of the day.

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Thad Phillips

That you got done that you can swipe it over. And then there's your day. What's also great about tracking is you can budget things that way, too, if you know that you're going to have a bad day. Now, you didn't know you were going to do the maple bacon popcorn.

:: 25:20:29

Thad Phillips

Nobody should know that they're going to do that.

:: 25:22:26

Thad Phillips

But they don't.

:: 25:24:16

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 25:25:11

Thad Phillips

But let's say but let's say it's your anniversary and you want to go to the keg and have a big steak.

:: 25:29:08

Thad Phillips

You know,

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Thad Phillips

That's another thing I don't want people get so hyper.

:: 25:32:26

Thad Phillips

Focused on diet and exercise. The ones that don't stick with it are the ones that won't go to those places during an anniversary, and they won't celebrate birthdays, and then they fall off.

:: 25:44:08

Thad Phillips

You have to build.

:: 25:45:14

Thad Phillips

This into your lifestyle, and that's where tracking your foods is great and building into.

:: 25:49:12

Thad Phillips

Your lifestyle, because you can budget that. You know you're going to have a steak. You could even go into the app.

:: 25:53:29

Thad Phillips

And foresee the future. So you going in and on your.

:: 25:57:10

Thad Phillips

Dinner, you're going to add that steak and imitate potatoes, all that stuff.

:: 26:00:08

Thad Phillips

Wow. That's going to be: 2000

:: 26:03:06

Thad Phillips

Well I'm going to have my breakfast and then I'm.

:: 26:04:26

Thad Phillips

Going to have maybe like a little protein shake or something for lunch. And then I'm going to budget.

:: 26:09:01

Thad Phillips

That in there. And now maybe you went over a little bit in your fat. But that's all right.

:: 26:13:05

Thad Phillips

Tomorrow starts at zero consistencies the key. So we're looking at something. We're not trying to be 100% perfect. Nobody. There was only one person who was ever 100% perfect. So, we want to be as close to 85, 90% perfect consistently. So people always think of it as an hour or a day or a meal over a seven day period.

:: 26:32:06

Thad Phillips

So my thing is always over a seven day period. I want if you have a seven day period, yeah, four meals a day. We're looking at 28 meals. Over that weeks period, if we can get, you know, 90% of that, if we can get 26 of those meals close to a perfect 25 of those meals, you're going to start seeing that trend going down.

:: 26:51:14

Brandon Lopez

I was going to say like two. Exactly. I think a lot of people zone like zoom in so much on the day when you put it on and stretch it out to a further time horizon

:: 27:01:02

Thad Phillips

Yep. Seven days. Yeah. You get to see the average of everything. Yep. So it's easier to budget. It's easier to work. Yeah. Like you

:: 27:07:26

Brandon Lopez

have a bad day.

:: 27:08:12

Brandon Lopez

It's like, oh, well, I can make this up somewhere else. But addition to that consistency, I think a lot of people have the behavior of, oh, it's the weekend,

:: 27:15:28

Thad Phillips

and I get the chill. So

:: 27:17:10

Brandon Lopez

they might be really good for five days. And then Saturday and Sunday rolls around and they get really

:: 27:23:01

Thad Phillips

relaxed. They

:: 27:24:13

Brandon Lopez

just, you know, whatever it is, they start to just forget everything.

:: 27:29:08

Brandon Lopez

Everything goes out the door, they start to eat. And then if you were to look at it at a weekly basis, I was like, oh, why am I not losing weight? Why I'm not getting my goals. And we look at a weekly basis.

:: 27:37:17

Thad Phillips

It's exactly.

:: 27:38:05

Thad Phillips

It. Yep.

:: 27:39:02

Brandon Lopez

oh, well, you know, you're really good for, you

:: 27:41:12

Thad Phillips

Friday,

:: 27:41:28

Brandon Lopez

Friday, but Saturday and Sunday,

:: 27:43:13

Thad Phillips

you know. Yeah. Got the pizza. Yeah, yeah. So,

:: 27:47:22

Brandon Lopez

the maybe more than one Dutch bro.

:: 27:49:12

Thad Phillips

Oh, no no, no. Yeah. And that's where I always try to encourage people.

:: 27:52:11

Thad Phillips

To track it, even on the.

:: 27:53:26

Thad Phillips

Weekend. It's hard, you know, because you got life and you're like, this is this kind of thing, but you can still, even if you have your pizzas and your Dutch bros and your sodas, you can still wake up and have your breakfast.

:: 28:02:24

Thad Phillips

First thing in the morning.

:: 28:03:22

Thad Phillips

You can still kind of create a routine.

:: 28:06:07

Thad Phillips

they stuck, let's say, their: 2000

:: 28:19:19

Thad Phillips

em to track. And they were at: 3500

:: 28:27:06

Thad Phillips

Okay, if we were trying to.

:: 28:28:12

Thad Phillips

Be, you know, 200 calories in the deficit each day, you know, to get to that deficit point. And then you.

:: 28:34:18

Thad Phillips

Were 200 calories less for five.

:: 28:36:29

Thad Phillips

Days, but then you were over a by a thousand on two days. Which direction did we just end up going? So yeah.

:: 28:42:23

Pat McCalla

like what you guys are both bringing up though, which I think is so important because a lot of times where we go wrong, especially with health and

:: 28:48:17

Thad Phillips

fitness,

:: 28:49:09

Pat McCalla

all areas of our life as we start trying to achieve

:: 28:52:07

Thad Phillips

it's just not a reality. Nope.

:: 28:54:07

Pat McCalla

And that's what gets discouraging is so, so some you know, again, a lot of people just recently, set goals and New Year's resolutions, and if they don't do it perfectly within the first few weeks, they just abandon

:: 29:04:17

Thad Phillips

it.

:: 29:04:25

Thad Phillips

Let we go.

:: 29:05:14

Pat McCalla

but like what you said, like that, that fitness tracker that

:: 29:08:13

Thad Phillips

you know, like

:: 29:09:01

Pat McCalla

macros, it starts at zero every day.

:: 29:11:24

Pat McCalla

And again, as people of faith,

:: 29:13:07

Thad Phillips

Yeah, that's our hope.

:: 29:14:12

Thad Phillips

Exactly. Yes.

:: 29:15:17

Pat McCalla

you know where he says, my mercies are new every morning like we wake up every day. I don't care how bad you blew it yesterday. Today is a new day. And that's what you're

:: 29:22:22

Thad Phillips

saying with the.

:: 29:23:01

Thad Phillips

Health and fitness. Exactly.

:: 29:24:15

Pat McCalla

what do you see are some of the key mistakes that people make where they end up falling off the wagon.

:: 29:29:14

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:: 29:36:21

Thad Phillips

What's funny is you'll.

:: 29:37:20

Thad Phillips

See people that, a lot of people will make mistakes. We call it life, you know, they'll make mistakes. As far as, you know, having a bad day. And they went out and ate with some coworker and stuff. But a lot of times they made mistakes, fallen off with celebration. So they don't realize, like celebrations, parties, holidays, you know, celebrating certain things and they start eating bad.

:: 30:01:15

Thad Phillips

And I think the biggest mistake is they just don't jump back on, you know, they string days together where they're bad instead of consistently. Hey, I had a bad day. Or, you know, I budgeted to have that celebration and then jumping back into it right away. I think that's that's one of the, the bigger things is, is just not having that consistency.

:: 30:21:10

Thad Phillips

I think mindset is a big thing. I always when I sat down with somebody, I always had.

:: 30:26:03

Thad Phillips

To have them, find their why? I mean, it's with anything, you know, you know, I've told my kids those this whole time, you got to do hard things, and this is going to be hard. You want to get them in the right mindset that this isn't going to be easy? It's going to be simple, but it's not going to be easy because it's going to there's going to be times that in your life that life is going to hit you in the face and you know, you're going to be out, you know, and you're only choices going through a fast food restaurant or you're going to be out with some friends,

:: 30:51:27

Thad Phillips

you know, late night or doing something like that, and making those choices at that time as well too. But having your why, they need to have that reason, you know, why they're doing it, whether it's to be healthier for their kids, whether it's to do weight loss, for an event, you know, find that why whatever that why is and just try to remember it every time.

:: 31:11:18

Pat McCalla

Well that's huge. Isn't Simon Sinek wrote that book, years ago called start with

:: 31:15:15

Thad Phillips

why.

:: 31:16:07

Pat McCalla

and it wasn't so much about health and fitness,

:: 31:18:05

Thad Phillips

Yeah. Yeah.

:: 31:19:22

Pat McCalla

But that was his point. As he's saying, even organizationally, a lot of people know what they do and how they do it, but they don't know why they do it, which is where they, they lose momentum.

:: 31:28:21

Thad Phillips

Yep.

:: 31:30:16

Pat McCalla

Because you have to go back to like, so why am I do it? Why do I do my job? Why do I do these different

:: 31:35:02

Thad Phillips

tasks?

:: 31:35:25

Pat McCalla

that are part of my job? But you're saying the same thing with them, with our health and fitness goals. So any of us that just recently sat down and wrote out goals or New Year's resolutions,

:: 31:44:14

Thad Phillips

Yeah. If

:: 31:44:29

Pat McCalla

we don't have a Y attached to it, you're suggesting go back and sit

:: 31:49:07

Thad Phillips

down. Yeah.

:: 31:49:26

Pat McCalla

and think through why you're

:: 31:51:03

Thad Phillips

going to be.

:: 31:51:12

Thad Phillips

Exactly.

:: 31:52:03

Pat McCalla

So give us some examples of whys, like what would be some good whys? Maybe there's some, on the part of our audience. It's like going, I wouldn't even know where to start.

:: 31:58:27

Thad Phillips

yeah. I mean, the why for.

:: 32:02:00

Thad Phillips

The largest population is weight loss. I mean, it is, we ran 5 or 6 incentive programs that were pretty large every year. The ones that had the most participation were weight loss. The ones that people were fired out about, fired up about the most were weight loss. So that's that's where most people are coming from. And that and that has to be, you know, their why has to be, you know, I want x amount of pounds loss to be healthier or to look better.

:: 32:28:21

Thad Phillips

I mean, it's we'll be honest. I mean, in, in our society, it's, it's for cosmetic reasons. I mean, everybody just wants to look better. But the flip side of that is when you look better, you feel better. When you feel better, you act different. And and I've seen people entire lives changed by losing 100 pounds. The people that have went from, you know, over 300 to 200, they're, they walk differently.

:: 32:53:06

Thad Phillips

They wear things differently. They, they have confidence, and they act so different. So I would think, you know, for me, the weight loss thing is, is easiest,

:: 33:04:11

Thad Phillips

by far what the most people.

:: 33:05:09

Thad Phillips

Want,

:: 33:05:25

Pat McCalla

And would you say so let's say and Brandon, again, I'm going to give you a second here to talk to speaking as well. But let me back up again and say, I think a lot of people probably statistically their goal or

:: 33:16:09

Thad Phillips

New Year's

:: 33:16:26

Pat McCalla

resolution they just wrote recently probably had something to do with

:: 33:19:16

Thad Phillips

weight loss.

:: 33:20:05

Thad Phillips

It does. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.

:: 33:21:14

Pat McCalla

But

:: 33:22:04

Pat McCalla

you want to really dig in.

:: 33:23:09

Pat McCalla

And again, you what you're suggesting is if I wrote down, I'm like, I want to lose 15 pounds or

:: 33:27:29

Pat McCalla

There's got to be a another way behind it. Like,

:: 33:31:14

Thad Phillips

why do

:: 33:32:03

Pat McCalla

you want to lose

:: 33:32:24

Thad Phillips

Exactly what.

:: 33:33:15

Thad Phillips

You're suggesting right. Yes. Yeah. Spend some time

:: 33:36:05

Pat McCalla

and think about

:: 33:36:24

Thad Phillips

it.

:: 33:36:28

Thad Phillips

Yes. Exactly, exactly.

:: 33:38:16

Thad Phillips

So I always try to.

:: 33:39:24

Thad Phillips

Confront somebody when they were, you know, you know, I had a meal that was, you know, over 300 pounds. He had some young kids and, and they're at the playground and they're like, hey, can you play with me? And he went over on the playground, sat, and he couldn't do certain things. And he was younger. And he realized, man, what's going to be my life in 5 or 6 years when I need to go play softball with him or whatever that I mean, those are the type of whys that.

:: 34:02:11

Thad Phillips

Was just to be able to play with his.

:: 34:03:19

Thad Phillips

Kids. Play with his kids? Yeah.

:: 34:05:14

Thad Phillips

in his vein. It it is, it is. You know, he's he's he's like, what if my kids have a have a swim party, you know, and I got to be in a, in a swimsuit or take him to a swimsuit. You know, take him to swim, but I gotta be in a swimsuit or that type of thing.

:: 34:17:16

Thad Phillips

Or on vacation. The way people look at me, those type of things. So, a lot of that is they really have to soul search in that and figure out, you know,

:: 34:28:11

Thad Phillips

what that is and remember it when things get hard. So remembering that way, when things get hard. So,

:: 34:34:03

Thad Phillips

I mean, it's real easy to remember it at the time when you were trying to run around with the kids and you couldn't do it, and, and and it's it's hard to remember it when you're stuck at a, a restaurant and you have some choices that you got to make at that time, too.

:: 34:47:16

Thad Phillips

So, having that why it makes a big difference. So, in remembering it, but I think.

:: 34:54:00

Thad Phillips

As we talk.

:: 34:54:15

Thad Phillips

About goals, I mean, everybody said this, you have a, you have a macro goal, you have a large goal.

:: 34:58:26

Thad Phillips

And the people that have the, the hardest uphill.

:: 35:00:26

Thad Phillips

Climb are the ones that have to lose 50, 60, 100 pounds. So that's.

:: 35:04:20

Thad Phillips

Going to take a.

:: 35:05:03

Thad Phillips

While. It's going to take a long time and you have to sit down with them and honestly tell them, hey, this isn't going to.

:: 35:10:28

Thad Phillips

Happen in 3 or 4 months. This is going to take a year or two years. And they have to know that that this is going to be a process. So, what, they don't.

:: 35:23:01

Thad Phillips

Have a hard time. They have a hard time.

:: 35:24:10

Thad Phillips

Understanding as if they've done the cookie diet. And they lost 15 pounds in two weeks, but they gained 20 of it back. So they think that there is simple, quick things, but for the long term, for somebody who's going to keep that 100 pounds off, this is going to take a long period of time. And it's the journey along the way, the journey that that person went through to lose the 100 pounds will transform them mentally as well, but it also transforms them.

:: 35:50:21

Thad Phillips

And what they did in their life, what they accomplished. I've seen some miraculous stories of people that, you know, we helped in the fitness, you know, in the fitness center that that were well over 300, almost 400 pounds in there. They've dropped 150, 200 pounds. And they.

:: 36:05:22

Thad Phillips

Were they were still coming in the fitness center.

:: 36:08:03

Thad Phillips

You know, ten years later, taking all the classes. Just a completely different person. And they didn't see it on the outside because it took years. But for me, I can look back and be like, man, I remember when I first saw you and you were you come in and your head was down and you were just so negative and everything was so bad.

:: 36:24:00

Thad Phillips

And now they're just they're the cheerleader in the office and they're accomplishing so much more. And they've moved up in the corporate world three spots. There's a reason for that is because.

:: 36:33:06

Thad Phillips

Everything changed.

:: 36:34:19

Thad Phillips

For them mentally and in that.

:: 36:36:29

Thad Phillips

Process that they.

:: 36:37:24

Thad Phillips

Went through change them from from everything else.

:: 36:41:11

Thad Phillips

So that's

:: 36:41:28

Pat McCalla

part of the reason that we're doing this podcast

:: 36:43:09

Thad Phillips

right

:: 36:43:21

Pat McCalla

now is because we are talking about that too. Again, we always talk about we make our choices and eventually our

:: 36:48:19

Thad Phillips

we just

:: 36:49:02

Pat McCalla

make us. But then like we started with, we're holistic

:: 36:51:18

Thad Phillips

beings. And that's what you're bringing up. Yes.

:: 36:53:24

Pat McCalla

when you start, bettering yourself physically in your health,

:: 36:58:06

Thad Phillips

:: 36:58:25

Pat McCalla

will naturally start bleeding over to other

:: 37:01:03

Thad Phillips

areas.

:: 37:01:12

Thad Phillips

Yeah. Your

:: 37:01:26

Pat McCalla

life as well.

:: 37:02:15

Pat McCalla

Brandon, what are your thoughts on the why? Start with the why because again, I think we're we're making the point that that's really important.

:: 37:09:15

Brandon Lopez

Well, it kind of really quick touch on that. What you just said I think doing things with like physical body fitness exercise, nutrition, that is the most tangible thing that you can do. And so you get an instant

:: 37:21:06

Thad Phillips

response. Right.

:: 37:22:08

Brandon Lopez

Whether you feel like in the moment, like you get the feeling like, oh man, my heart's racing, you know, I'm sweating.

:: 37:27:12

Brandon Lopez

And then of course, of time you start to see different changes going on. And so one of the things that I think is very important, especially when it comes to exercise, physical activity, all of that is that it is probably going to be the one thing out of if you were to look at the categories of, I guess, a human being physical, emotional, mental and spiritual, oftentimes physical aspect is going to be the one that you're going to get the most return on investment

:: 37:53:18

Pat McCalla

quicker than.

:: 37:54:03

Pat McCalla

A lot

:: 37:54:16

Thad Phillips

quick.

:: 37:54:26

Thad Phillips

Yes. Yeah. So you get to

:: 37:56:13

Brandon Lopez

learn a batch of different kind of habits,

:: 37:58:06

Thad Phillips

And, you know, you learn about

:: 37:59:04

Brandon Lopez

consistency and discipline

:: 38:00:21

Pat McCalla

good point is over. So

:: 38:02:02

Brandon Lopez

habits compound vertically, of course, but also horizontally. As far as the why? Absolutely. 100% agree with you. I think that for most people, especially in the context of New Year's resolutions, I think most often not.

:: 38:13:10

Brandon Lopez

And the reason why has such a like a high quote unquote fail rate of 70% is because most often not, the goal itself is just not important. Often not then people that make these goals, it's just like you don't actually truly value this thing. And when I think about the things that I was most successful with my life so far, I'm sure you guys, you gentlemen can agree with this is the things that you're super successful with and especially with goals and habits.

:: 38:36:00

Brandon Lopez

Usually those things were very, very important to you, whether it was marriage, whether it was

:: 38:40:15

Thad Phillips

fitness, whether it was

:: 38:41:21

Brandon Lopez

career, whatever it is, it became, those goals became very much more real to you. Those habits became so much more simple and easier to start to accustomed to because of how important, how valuable it is. I think a lot of people listening to this when it comes to you, if you're thinking about like, oh, I have a fitness goal for my New Year's resolutions, really dive into the why.

:: 39:01:27

Brandon Lopez

And I think that as a coach,

:: 39:04:02

Brandon Lopez

part of our job to really dig into there. For one,

:: 39:07:04

Brandon Lopez

it's the reality of it. We'll be doing people a disservice if we don't help them dig into what, like you can. Anybody could say, I want to lose 20 pounds

:: 39:14:23

Thad Phillips

or 30 pounds or 50 pounds. But if we dig into it's like, well, why is this important to you?

:: 39:19:13

Thad Phillips

And that's usually always rooted in some kind of pain, whether it is like,

:: 39:23:06

Brandon Lopez

oh man, I just don't find myself attractive. I don't think I find myself attractive to myself. The other, it could be the worrisome of like, oh man, I am severely overweight and I can't even hang out with my kids.

:: 39:34:22

Brandon Lopez

I can't keep up with them, and I want to make sure that I'm with my kids. I don't want to be part of the statistic in which I have some kind of metabolic condition or disease or cardiovascular disease in which I might not be able to even have quality life with my kids. And so there's a lot of pain rooted in this.

:: 39:52:23

Brandon Lopez

And I think, a coach helping dig, like helping somebody navigate and dig that when you really find the root cause of why the actual goals like the weight loss, weight gain, whatever that goal is, that's very superficial. There's an there's a reason why somebody is saying that. And when you can really dig into it and really discover what is the core of this, it becomes so much more

:: 40:12:27

Thad Phillips

important, so much more valuable to the person.

:: 40:15:14

Brandon Lopez

Because when they see that a lot of people like they might feel this way, but they don't want to admit it to themselves. But when you bring

:: 40:22:08

Pat McCalla

that out of them, it's now like it's one of those things. Like, if this continues for the next year, two years, 3 or 5 years, where do you think you're going to be with your life? Is that going to be something you're

:: 40:32:14

Brandon Lopez

okay with?

:: 40:32:28

Thad Phillips

We're presenting, you know,

:: 40:34:15

Brandon Lopez

a decision to make a you make a decision to continue down this road, or are we going to follow the footsteps of of this? So we got to make a decision on what this is going to look for you. And if we do that, we need to come together and make this more of a non-negotiable.

:: 40:49:27

Brandon Lopez

And being a coach, like, of course you help them

:: 40:51:27

Thad Phillips

through that process, not just like a

:: 40:54:16

Brandon Lopez

oh, you messed up on

:: 40:56:08

Brandon Lopez

Pal and then slap them on the hand kind of thing and

:: 40:58:17

Thad Phillips

them, because then of course, they

:: 41:00:16

Brandon Lopez

start viewing their goal and their Y as a punishment. And usually when you view things as a punishment,

:: 41:04:21

Thad Phillips

Yeah. Yeah.

:: 41:06:21

Brandon Lopez

And so yeah, to 100% agree with

:: 41:09:09

Thad Phillips

you,

:: 41:10:04

Brandon Lopez

the core of the why of whatever you're doing, especially in the context of fitness and nutrition, is going to be a game changer as far as the urgency and the intensity at which you pursue your goals. And, and making it more of a reality. And I think that's why

:: 41:25:22

Brandon Lopez

having that in the industry,

:: 41:27:19

Brandon Lopez

is so very, very important.

:: 41:29:06

Brandon Lopez

Like this is where I think most people talk about like, you know, the time we're talking like, you know, elections and everything, we're talking about Medicare and all this stuff, but nobody's talking about everything that comes before

:: 41:40:18

Thad Phillips

going to hospital.

:: 41:41:09

Brandon Lopez

And so we have individuals like that here that are actually helping people deal with their problems

:: 41:46:18

Pat McCalla

physically and being.

:: 41:47:21

Pat McCalla

Proactive,

:: 41:48:09

Thad Phillips

right. Helping people

:: 41:50:00

Brandon Lopez

actually get healthier. Like people don't give like you enough credit.

:: 41:54:00

Thad Phillips

Like they

:: 41:54:24

Brandon Lopez

don't

:: 41:55:03

Brandon Lopez

like a lot of times I think we think about it more as like vain.

:: 41:57:09

Thad Phillips

when you're

:: 41:58:08

Brandon Lopez

I'm just trying to look good. And you know, but like, you're doing

:: 42:01:16

Brandon Lopez

a great service to people. So much more so than I think that, like, you go see a doctor, you're trying to be saved in

:: 42:08:16

Thad Phillips

some way.

:: 42:09:14

Brandon Lopez

You're going to somebody like that and you're going like, no, I'm going to become more

:: 42:12:21

Thad Phillips

resilient

:: 42:13:20

Pat McCalla

to life.

:: 42:15:00

Pat McCalla

Well, and I think that's one of the things that my wife and I have talked about more and more as we get older and older is quality of life

:: 42:20:20

Thad Phillips

is so important coming

:: 42:22:06

Pat McCalla

back. This to your point, Brandon, is what we're talking about today is so important because again, God has created us in such a way that we have the power of choice,

:: 42:31:21

Pat McCalla

and the choices I'm making are going to have repercussions on my future.

:: 42:34:25

Pat McCalla

But quality of life is such an important thing. And the older I get, the more I realize

:: 42:38:21

Thad Phillips

that, yeah.

:: 42:39:12

Pat McCalla

I have a certain number of decades or years on this planet

:: 42:42:10

Thad Phillips

Yep.

:: 42:42:29

Pat McCalla

and how I live those, and in the quality of those years, a lot of it's going to come back to the choices that I make, especially around my

:: 42:50:23

Thad Phillips

health

:: 42:51:15

Pat McCalla

and even being proactive about that.

:: 42:53:02

Pat McCalla

Speaking to a little bit, because you touched on this before,

:: 42:56:02

Pat McCalla

getting older.

:: 42:57:08

Thad Phillips

So you and I are about the same age. Sure.

:: 42:59:24

Pat McCalla

although anybody who's watching this wouldn't guess that they would go. I would have guessed you're

:: 43:03:13

Thad Phillips

about ten. Yeah. But that's because you've taken it.

:: 43:06:01

Thad Phillips

Can you look ten years older.

:: 43:08:17

Thad Phillips

Yes. So is that

:: 43:10:23

Thad Phillips

know I, I think it's just the hair. It's just a hair.

:: 43:13:19

Thad Phillips

I kept my hair good.

:: 43:14:19

Thad Phillips

Genetics, the genetics.

:: 43:16:14

Pat McCalla

we're about the same age. So how has the health changed for you over the years?

:: 43:21:26

Thad Phillips

Yeah, that's and.

:: 43:22:28

Thad Phillips

That's a great question. And and it's funny because when you were speaking about this too, it made me think of that too. It's the evolution of. So I started I'll be completely honest. I started as a vain thing. I mean, I started working out when I was 18 because I wanted to look better, for females, I mean, it was as vain.

:: 43:40:01

Thad Phillips

As it gets, but it's weird. House God has a plan.

:: 43:41:29

Thad Phillips

For you because he knew I started with that. And then somebody encouraged me to gym like, hey, you got a pretty good physique. You should start doing thinking about bodybuilding. So then that transformed into bodybuilding, which was a 20 year stint in natural bodybuilding, which literally sent me off to go to school to study nutrition, to start helping people.

:: 44:01:26

Thad Phillips

But then, you know, that has transformed to now it just like you. I just want the the gym portion of it is my mental aspect. I, I don't do this for the physical, near as much as I do it for the mental. And I also have changed the way I do things because, you know, back in the day, because it was either for a sport or for vanity, you would do things as far as like bulking up and getting eaten tons of food and getting way too out of weight and then cutting down and trying to trim and getting extremely lean and doing those exact things that weren't healthy for you.

:: 44:35:05

Thad Phillips

And now I look at it with a lens of everything of long term and health. So. And I think

:: 44:40:02

Thad Phillips

the career has changed as far as when I was helping people. So I think you see some of these, these young trainers in the gym and they're just, they have one mindset of trying to help these people just just to lose weight, you know, cosmetically speaking.

:: 44:55:12

Thad Phillips

And then as you have evolved over your career, you start realizing that there's so much more to that. It's it's it's helping people. For me, my last ten years was more of a ministry, even though that was my job. And now, ironically, I'm in ministry and then it's fitness is still my ministry, you know what I mean? So it's it's trying to you can you see the benefit of that.

:: 45:17:15

Thad Phillips

It's it's crazy. So but.

:: 45:19:27

Thad Phillips

Your why has to change.

:: 45:21:02

Thad Phillips

Over the years. So for me.

:: 45:22:21

Thad Phillips

I to this day I still have to have a wife.

:: 45:25:14

Thad Phillips

I mean, I don't, I don't part of it is because I've been doing this my whole life. But part of it is I still have to have a y. You know, it went from vanity to sport to. I tried a bunch of different sports and try to be, you know, as best I could at that point to the last ten years is, is just to, be healthy.

:: 45:46:00

Thad Phillips

Look, good. You know, I get bloodwork done every year. I want to make sure those markers look great, you know, because, cancer runs in my family. You know, alcoholism runs in my family. There's things that run into my family that I want to be ahead of. And.

:: 45:59:06

Thad Phillips

for me, it's just like you.

:: 46:01:06

Thad Phillips

I want to be ahead of so I can.

:: 46:02:19

Thad Phillips

Scuba dive or in, in. You know, it's.

:: 46:05:19

Thad Phillips

Not a snowboard with my kids, you know, I mean, I literally during snowboard season, my training will change because I know that my kids are better than me now. I won't tell them that we're going to have to edit this out. They're not better than me yet. But, you know, at that time when your kid always gets there.

:: 46:21:03

Thad Phillips

But, they work me hard, you know? But I'm never going to admit that. But I will start shifting my training to know that. Hey, I.

:: 46:27:00

Thad Phillips

Can go out and do multiple days in a row snowboarding at 50. I will be honest. Yeah, I think we said our 50s, but.

:: 46:33:21

Thad Phillips

know, early 50s, you know, and still be able to do that multiple days.

:: 46:38:09

Thad Phillips

I know for me, if I didn't, if I didn't train for it, I'd be wrecked, you know. Yeah. Anybody could do one day and then they're, they're gym out for, for a week. But to do 2 or 3 days in a row.

:: 46:46:06

Thad Phillips

:: 46:46:16

Pat McCalla

And

:: 46:46:26

Thad Phillips

our young

:: 46:47:27

Pat McCalla

can't. They just can't know. It's

:: 46:49:20

Thad Phillips

know,

:: 46:50:03

Pat McCalla

for them to know what it's going to be like when they start going to their 40s

:: 46:53:22

Thad Phillips

and

:: 46:54:08

Pat McCalla

and the body starts breaking down

:: 46:55:24

Thad Phillips

Yeah, we

:: 46:56:08

Pat McCalla

start. So I think, again, that's where you and I are coming from the perspective in some of our listeners

:: 47:00:14

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 47:00:24

Pat McCalla

who are

:: 47:01:16

Thad Phillips

yeah.

:: 47:01:27

Pat McCalla

the age that we are or close to it are like on oh my goodness, yeah, it's changed.

:: 47:05:23

Thad Phillips

So yeah,

:: 47:06:11

Pat McCalla

I think I've told this story on the podcast before, but I remember years ago we were on a family vacation, and when I was younger I had some wheels. I was pretty fast

:: 47:15:06

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 47:15:20

Pat McCalla

and my boys are getting older.

:: 47:17:07

Pat McCalla

And

:: 47:17:20

Thad Phillips

so what.

:: 47:18:09

Thad Phillips

Did you say that more. It's true. This does happen. Yeah.

:: 47:22:21

Pat McCalla

:: 47:22:28

Pat McCalla

we're on vacation and we're on a beach. And the boys are like, dad, can we race you? So we mark off like 40 yards or whatever, and we do a foot race and I lose to them. And the reality is I'll never win another race

:: 47:35:06

Thad Phillips

against them

:: 47:35:26

Pat McCalla

because I'm getting older and slower and

:: 47:37:27

Thad Phillips

they're getting fatter.

:: 47:38:14

Thad Phillips

Yeah, yeah.

:: 47:39:14

Pat McCalla

it just and things have changed. But

:: 47:41:08

Thad Phillips

again,

:: 47:41:19

Pat McCalla

going back to my, my, my question to you, I remember years ago reading an article by Sylvester

:: 47:46:24

Thad Phillips

Stallone, he's

:: 47:47:12

Pat McCalla

obviously stayed really fit for most of his life, and he talked about how his training had to change when he started going into

:: 47:54:00

Thad Phillips

this, for sure,

:: 47:54:24

Pat McCalla

And I didn't realize I read that article when I was young,

:: 47:56:28

Thad Phillips

German and I hit my 40s. Yeah.

:: 47:58:09

Pat McCalla

oh man, he's right.

:: 47:59:00

Thad Phillips

Yeah,

:: 47:59:14

Pat McCalla

Because I go into the gym and I'm planning to do like, this lift and also I'm like, oh, shoulders can't do that

:: 48:03:14

Thad Phillips

Yeah

:: 48:04:00

Pat McCalla

back can't do that

:: 48:04:27

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 48:05:12

Pat McCalla

or even eating. I used to be able to get away with cheating, you know, a little bit more now it's like I cheat one day or I, I smell

:: 48:13:14

Thad Phillips

so yeah. Yeah.

:: 48:14:04

Pat McCalla

and I gained pounds.

:: 48:15:08

Pat McCalla

Look at

:: 48:16:00

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 48:17:08

Pat McCalla

So.

:: 48:17:19

Pat McCalla

speaking of that, a little bit,

:: 48:18:15

Thad Phillips

Yeah. You

:: 48:18:29

Pat McCalla

had to change

:: 48:20:05

Thad Phillips

some of

:: 48:20:20

Pat McCalla

your habits as you've gotten older or did you have these great habits.

:: 48:24:29

Thad Phillips

So some of the habits have had to morph throughout the time. But there is no blueprint for anybody. That's, that's that's.

:: 48:31:09

Thad Phillips

The thing too, that everybody thinks that is, is standard.

:: 48:33:17

Thad Phillips

Blueprint. You eat chicken and broccoli.

:: 48:35:11

Thad Phillips

Five times a day and you exercise this and it equals this. So, you know, it's not like that for everybody. So that's where I was going back to helping thousands of people from the ages of 20 to 60s. Is is you have ages, you have, different genetic makeups. You have stages of life, things that are going on and really trying to trying to build this into your life and what your life might look completely different if you're a 24 year old male who's single, your life is going to look completely different than a 40 year old mom, with two young kids, you know?

:: 49:07:09

Thad Phillips

So you have to really build that into that. So, yeah, mine has morphed over the years. But so will everybody. Everybody is going to have to morph. And, it's funny because I remember I'm young enough, too. I started to get into bodybuilding when I was probably 19, 20 years old. And I was in it pretty, pretty hardcore as far as, like I was going to like the rough and tumble gyms and that type of thing.

:: 49:30:26

Thad Phillips

And I remember, you know, looking up to the guys that looked great and they were usually in their 30s and 40s and, you know, you had the old guys that were in there, you know, 40 years old, telling you.

:: 49:40:04

Thad Phillips

Oh, I got this ache and I got this pain. And when you get to be my age, you could be doing this. And you know, you, you.

:: 49:46:08

Thad Phillips

You disregard them, you know, at that time. But you know what? It's a journey. So it's the journey that got you through that. You have to experience the you lifted way too heavy and you wrecked your shoulders. You know, younger. If somebody can tell, you.

:: 50:00:20

Thad Phillips

Know.

:: 50:02:11

Thad Phillips

But, if somebody can tell you this is what.

:: 50:04:22

Thad Phillips

You're going to do,

:: 50:05:16

Thad Phillips

you can take that advice. But a lot of times it's just the journey there, you know? I mean, it's it's living through that. I wouldn't trade any of my past 30 years of of working out, even though I know, you know, my back is wrecked from, from probably things I did when I was younger, like motocross and gymnastics and that type of thing.

:: 50:21:20

Thad Phillips

But, I attribute to most of that deadlifting for really way too heavy for my size and my frame for many, many years. And I think it's I mean, I don't think it is medically wrecked, but, would I trade that, you know. Yeah. I'd like to go back and do things different. Would I have ever done anything different?

:: 50:38:22

Thad Phillips

No.

:: 50:39:18

Thad Phillips

But, you know, when I was younger, deadlifts is what build the most amount of mass. Everybody told me that I was going to do it.

:: 50:46:12

Thad Phillips

They're younger. People have a mindset, and I see younger people as being myself in their 20s to 30, even early 30s. That mindset of I will do anything to get to this. And the consequences come later. Like you talked about. You talked about health. I have the hardest time when I'm trying to work with somebody that's in their 20s.

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Thad Phillips

I can't, this is going to help them with the diabetes or this is going to help them with, you know, their medical costs. They don't care about any of that.

:: 51:12:10

Thad Phillips

No. Is this going to help me look good on the beach tomorrow? You know? So, that's that's what they care about. But if I'm working with somebody in their 50s, you know, you know, and I'm like, hey, if we can get this shifted, you're going to be able to come off this medication or you're going to be able to you're going to be able to lift again or.

:: 51:31:00

Thad Phillips

Do these certain actions again. So, going back to that, there is no cookie cutter, in my training is completely changed because like I said, my back is wrecked. I don't bulk and cut anymore. I keep my weight relatively the same year round. Yeah, I grew up a little bit in the winter because, you know, you can, you know what I mean?

:: 51:48:25

Thad Phillips

And the vanity in me likes to be a little bit leaner in the summer. But it's just something I've always done.

:: 51:55:14

Thad Phillips

To to to stay. Yeah. To stay warm. Yeah. I get cold too easy. So, but, yeah, it's, But it has to.

:: 52:01:17

Thad Phillips

It has to morph. Yeah. I don't of course deadlift anymore. The weights I do are much lighter. When it comes to that diet, though.

:: 52:09:13

Thad Phillips

Yeah, I think my calories are probably lower than they were when I was younger.

:: 52:12:19

Thad Phillips

But, I think it's it's there's just basic, basic rules. You can manipulate the macros a little bit, but, a diet is diet, I think, what people don't understand, and I always try to tell people is there is.

:: 52:26:03

Thad Phillips

Actual science to this, like there is truth.

:: 52:29:11

Thad Phillips

To these things. Like when people are like,

:: 52:31:18

Thad Phillips

you know, what is the number one thing to to lose weight? I'm like, hey, get a pen and paper, write this down. This is going to rock your world. You're going to eat less. And they're like.

:: 52:40:28

Thad Phillips

Okay, no, no, no, no, you're going to eat less. I mean.

:: 52:44:22

Thad Phillips

It is truth that everything we eat is a calorie. A calorie stands for a kilojoule.

:: 52:50:22

Thad Phillips

Kilojoule is just a unit of energy. So this breaks down. The science is in like a car. If you put too much gas in this car, it has to do.

:: 52:59:13

Thad Phillips

Something with it.

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Thad Phillips

If you put too much units of energy, too many calories in your body, it has to store it as fat. If you put not enough.

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Thad Phillips

Calories in your body, it has to.

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Thad Phillips

Pull from somewhere because your body runs.

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Thad Phillips

On energy.

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Thad Phillips

Just think of it as simple as that. It's energy so people don't.

:: 53:14:12

Thad Phillips

Understand that it really is. That simple is not always easy. It's just a unit of energy. Let's just get your calories down lower than what you're burning on a consistent basis, and you're going to lose weight. So when it comes to weight loss or.

:: 53:30:01

Thad Phillips

Flip flop or gain weight if you want to gain weight. So for like.

:: 53:33:02

Thad Phillips

Me in the winter, I intentionally try to gain a little bit of weight. I reverse diet my calories, go up, add.

:: 53:37:17

Thad Phillips

A couple.

:: 53:37:27

Thad Phillips

Extra. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

:: 53:39:18

Thad Phillips

I was just gonna

:: 53:40:02

Pat McCalla

say

:: 53:40:14

Brandon Lopez

it's the first law of thermodynamics and that's yet to be disproven.

:: 53:46:12

Brandon Lopez

:: 53:46:29

Thad Phillips

Yeah. Yeah, I mean it is. And I tell people, I mean, it is basic science. It is. It's just it's how it works. You know, there is a number out.

:: 53:53:21

Thad Phillips

There

:: 53:53:29

Pat McCalla

time with this podcast and just said,

:: 53:56:03

Thad Phillips

oh, like, what do we need.

:: 53:57:06

Thad Phillips

To do? And yeah, eat less. Yeah. Yeah. But but okay.

:: 54:00:10

Thad Phillips

But it's 100% true though.

:: 54:01:29

Pat McCalla

for the people who have done that. Because then I want to jump into the fad diets

:: 54:05:19

Thad Phillips

yeah.

:: 54:06:05

Pat McCalla

because I think you guys would both say, okay, eat less.

:: 54:09:00

Pat McCalla

But then the problem is, is there are a lot of people that are like, okay, they did some grapefruit diet

:: 54:13:06

Thad Phillips

or something

:: 54:13:27

Pat McCalla

where they lived on grapefruit five days a week and they lost a bunch

:: 54:17:15

Thad Phillips

Yeah,

:: 54:18:01

Pat McCalla

but then they gained it all back. So it is eat less

:: 54:21:06

Pat McCalla

but talk.

:: 54:21:28

Thad Phillips

Yeah, yeah. FAD diets the danger.

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Thad Phillips

And that's you see it. So that's where.

:: 54:26:03

Thad Phillips

The simple isn't easy. Simply you eat less. But is this something that you can do long term I mean long term as in like forever. Is this something that you can live through? And even tracking foods can be, a bother to people. I mean, is, are you going to say when I'm telling people, hey, I'm going to track foods for the rest of my life?

:: 54:45:02

Thad Phillips

You could it's not that hard anymore. It's getting easier with technology.

:: 54:48:27

Thad Phillips

But you don't have to. If you've lived that journey of tracking foods for.

:: 54:52:11

Thad Phillips

:: 54:52:18

Thad Phillips

Year or two, I can tell you how many calories are in an apple. You know why? Because I put it in there a thousand times. I can tell you that you you're the knowledge.

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Thad Phillips

Is the power in that. So again, the.

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Thad Phillips

Fad diets.

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Thad Phillips

Work because they all have a basis of less calories. But how do they work in the long term? So technically, what are we describing this work I mean, work, yes, we lost weight, but that didn't work because it wasn't the end result. You didn't have your y your goal. If your goal was 100 pounds and you lost 20, it didn't work.

:: 55:24:25

Thad Phillips

If your goal is 20 pounds and you lost 20, but then you gained back 20, that didn't work. So the goal and the Y has to be that, and we have to look at it long term.

:: 55:35:01

Thad Phillips

The fad diets.

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Thad Phillips

That what they're preying on is everybody, especially in America, want something quick and easy. They just want it. They want somebody to tell them what to do. And they want the easiest way to get there. What's the.

:: 55:47:13

Thad Phillips

Pill, the surgery.

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Thad Phillips

The thing I can do to get there and rarely is easy, good and nothing ever. I tell my kids, just like we said, you know, everything that is hard is worth having. It is. And this is going to take you some, some process to get through that. So, they have to look through that lens. Anytime you're looking at the latest diet, which there's going to be tons of them in the first year here, going to be a ton of, of diets coming out and, and crazy exercise machines.

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Thad Phillips

Can you do this? Are you willing to do this for years?

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Thad Phillips

Yeah. And nobody's going to do the grapefruit diet for years.

:: 56:25:16

Thad Phillips

:: 56:26:07

Thad Phillips

even the cookie diet is great. Is the cookie diets out it? They're not going to do it for years. There was a cookie diet there for a while to

:: 56:32:23

Thad Phillips

oh yeah, there's a cookie diet. And even all those meals that.

:: 56:36:24

Thad Phillips

Or you.

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Thad Phillips

Know, it was a certain kind of cookie. They call it the cookie diet. And people made these cookies.

:: 56:41:16

Thad Phillips

And, it was like this, I don't know, this weird, healthy cookie that you had to make. And but you could only have cookies all day long.

:: 56:49:00

Thad Phillips

Yeah, well.

:: 56:50:02

Pat McCalla

but probably not.

:: 56:50:26

Pat McCalla

The story for you.

:: 56:51:27

Brandon Lopez

Can I

:: 56:52:08

Pat McCalla

sure. Sure. I really ask, like, how can I say those.

:: 56:55:15

Brandon Lopez

cookies so much. He ate his daughter in laws

:: 56:58:08

Pat McCalla

lactation cookies.

:: 56:59:20

Thad Phillips

Oh, yeah. Wait, wait. Let me go.

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Thad Phillips

That was,

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Thad Phillips

No, no, it was true.

:: 57:07:24

Pat McCalla

So our.

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Pat McCalla

Our daughter in.

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Pat McCalla

Law with

:: 57:10:25

Thad Phillips

Was so good.

:: 57:11:19

Pat McCalla

She, she was living with us because our son was in boot

:: 57:14:11

Thad Phillips

camp.

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Pat McCalla

And, I came home and there's all these fresh baked cookies on the counter, and I was so excited. And so I grabbed a big cup of milk, and I started eating. I don't know, I ate half a dozen them or whatever, and my wife and daughter in law came home and they were like, did you eat a bunch of those?

:: 57:29:21

Pat McCalla

And then they told me they were lactation cookies, which, yeah, I

:: 57:33:19

Thad Phillips

had all kinds of weird things.

:: 57:35:07

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 57:36:08

Thad Phillips

I don't know, the lactation cookie is.

:: 57:37:25

Thad Phillips

But it doesn't sound good.

:: 57:39:09

Thad Phillips

Supposed to

:: 57:39:27

Pat McCalla

help a woman's milk come

:: 57:41:04

Thad Phillips

Oh.

:: 57:42:07

Thad Phillips

Well, to me, it's, It sounds like lactation.

:: 57:45:08

Thad Phillips

Did you did.

:: 57:45:27

Thad Phillips

You tell them that you lactating the cookie? Yeah. I mean, I didn't put it in milk. Yeah, I

:: 57:50:14

Thad Phillips

yeah, I mean, lactating Oreos is great. So.

:: 57:53:18

Thad Phillips

Yeah. You're right. Yeah.

:: 57:54:12

Thad Phillips

But to your point, no,

:: 57:55:23

Pat McCalla

a cookie diet sounds great, but your point is you're not going to eat

:: 57:59:23

Thad Phillips

There's no way nobody logically.

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Thad Phillips

Can be saying, I'm going to eat these cookies. Rest my.

:: 58:03:19

Thad Phillips

Life. So what they do is they'll turn to them like, well, I'm going to do this to lose the 20 pounds.

:: 58:07:20

Thad Phillips

And then I'm going to eat right after that. And what did you learn off of that?

:: 58:11:23

Thad Phillips

You learned that you made these cookies and you ate.

:: 58:14:00

Thad Phillips

Them and you lost the weight. There was nothing that you gained mentally from that. So of course there's no way you're going to retain that. There's no way you're going to maintain that. So,

:: 58:22:20

Thad Phillips

having that forethought of like, is this something that I could do for the rest of my life? Watching what you eat is something controlling what you eat is something that you can do for the rest of like and and by doing it right, by budgeting things, by knowing that, hey, I'm going to go on vacation.

:: 58:37:05

Thad Phillips

So you know what? I'm going to eat pretty restricted calories. And when I'm on vacation, I mean, there's days, weeks that I don't track foods.

:: 58:43:27

Thad Phillips

I mean, I've been tracking everything for many years. It's super.

:: 58:46:08

Thad Phillips

Easy, but I kind of know while I'm on vacation, too, you know, because, you know, I probably won't get that.

:: 58:51:21

Thad Phillips

Breakfast I eat all the time. I probably will have, you know, go out to a restaurant. I know I can order, an omelet, you know, and and I know roughly how many calories are in that omelet. But, you know, if there's.

:: 59:03:06

Thad Phillips

Alcohol involved and whatever's involved, you're not tracking it because you're.

:: 59:06:24

Thad Phillips

Enjoying life the most important thing is the day.

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Thad Phillips

You get back home, you.

:: 59:10:26

Thad Phillips

Get right back on track. So it's consistency is the key. And where you were saying is consistency doesn't need to be the day or even the week. It could be the month, you know. You know.

:: 59:20:25

Thad Phillips

That in September you're.

:: 59:22:09

Thad Phillips

Going on vacation for a week. We we want to be able to do that. And your, your way of life needs to allow that to happen.

:: 59:30:04

Thad Phillips

:: 59:30:20

Pat McCalla

you guys are both saying, which I think goes back to a leadership principle that I heard a long time ago. And I'm going to adopt this to the health. But they always said that as an organization is growing, if you're in leadership, you've been doing everything

:: 59:41:22

Thad Phillips

and you guys start

:: 59:42:18

Pat McCalla

handing it off, but you don't want to hand it off because you know you can do it better.

:: 59:46:09

Pat McCalla

But the principle is if someone can do it 70% as well as you, you got to let them do it. And then I take that principle and apply it to what you're saying. You're not going to be 100%,

:: 59:55:13

Thad Phillips

Nope. You can be 70%. Yeah.

:: 59:57:14

Pat McCalla

if you can take some of these things and recognize it, it's not a day,

:: 00:00:14

Thad Phillips

No,

:: 00:00:25

Pat McCalla

a week, it's a month.

:: 00:02:12

Pat McCalla

And I can be 70% or 80%.

:: 00:05:06

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 00:05:24

Pat McCalla

You're going to you go out two, three, 4 or 5 months. You're going to start noticing

:: 00:10:08

Thad Phillips

Sure.

:: 00:10:28

Pat McCalla

huge changes in your health. Is there anything we're missing that is is we're wrapping this up. Any other tangible advice that you would want to give?

:: 00:19:28

Speaker 1

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:: 00:31:05

Thad Phillips

it really just comes down to, like, just like what we talked about here. So you're going to have to have your way. So I always start with mindset. Make sure the mindset is right. So when you're going into this write down tangibly why you're doing it. Know that it's going to be something that's this process that you're going to do is something that you're going to have investment in, you know, for a long period of time or forever, which is what should we want?

:: 00:56:11

Thad Phillips

Start slow, add things, and, you've got one large goal. And even starting.

:: 01:01:08

Thad Phillips

This process.

:: 01:02:03

Thad Phillips

Adding one thing at a time, the first thing I want, I have people do.

:: 01:05:00

Thad Phillips

Is just start MyFitnessPal.

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Thad Phillips

And then start tracking everything they eat. And then after they check everything eat, we try to get as close to the calories you can after you get.

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Thad Phillips

As close to your calories you can. Then we try to get them close. There's macros we can and then after we get their macros as we can, then we'll.

:: 01:17:20

Thad Phillips

Start reducing the calories if we need to reduce them. So taking weeks to do that, track everything you eat for a week before you even start worrying about the calories. Then let's punch in the calories and that's track everything we.

:: 01:28:26

Thad Phillips

Eat for another two weeks with the calories, but the.

:: 01:31:26

Thad Phillips

Slow increments. If you try to do all this at once, it's way too much. Try to add things in at a time. And then when you start tracking your foods, just start with breakfast. I always just had people start with breakfast once they get that breakfast nailed. Then we move to another meal in the day.

:: 01:48:02

Thad Phillips

Start with lunch. Move to lunch. After the nutrition is set and we start getting them into the gym and exercising as well, and I don't know where everybody's at home. Our listeners are going to be all over the board, just like I was when I was helping thousands of people. So you're going to have people that are going to be listening to this, that are already going to the gym two, three days a week.

:: 02:04:21

Thad Phillips

And maybe eating. All right. And they're going to eat them. But those people can, can take something from this as much or more than even somebody that never goes to the gym. It needs to lose 100 pounds because somebody who's going to the gym already, you know, 3 or 4 days a week, they kind of know what they're eating and they're not getting the results they have at you don't know where to go if you don't know where you've been.

:: 02:26:13

Thad Phillips

So you.

:: 02:27:08

Thad Phillips

Used to have.

:: 02:28:06

Thad Phillips

Power. There's so much.

:: 02:30:00

Thad Phillips

Power in this knowledge of knowing where you're at. And like we talked about it, it starts with nutrition. Because if the nutrition is off, everything else will

:: 02:38:23

Pat McCalla

will fall

:: 02:39:10

Pat McCalla

apart.

:: 02:39:28

Pat McCalla

And the older we get the more that we find

:: 02:41:21

Thad Phillips

that.

:: 02:42:04

Thad Phillips

It is true. Yes, yes and yeah.

:: 02:44:23

Pat McCalla

you could cheat, a little more on your

:: 02:47:01

Thad Phillips

Sure. Your

:: 02:47:22

Pat McCalla

20s and 30s than you can when you start getting your 40s and 50s. So building those habits

:: 02:51:13

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 02:51:27

Pat McCalla

in your 20s and 30s

:: 02:53:11

Thad Phillips

you're going

:: 02:53:24

Pat McCalla

to go a long

:: 02:54:25

Thad Phillips

Yeah, yeah. Can

:: 02:55:16

Pat McCalla

help

:: 02:55:29

Thad Phillips

Yeah. And that's hundred percent true. I mean, it's, depending on where you're at in your age and what you're doing, but I've seen people now, I mean, obesity is running rampant. So we were helping people in their mid 20s that were, extremely overweight. It's it's really common now for people to go to college and they get their first job and they gain that, you know, we call these whatever that freshman 15.

:: 03:18:18

Thad Phillips

Freshman 15 is. Yeah. It's it's called career. It's called it's called career 20. So a lot of times they actually come out and they go into their career and gain another 20 pounds. Yes. Yeah. So it's it's it's a, it's a thing too. So we've seen a lot of people that got to college got their first job and in college they were still super active.

:: 03:39:03

Thad Phillips

They were still run around you.

:: 03:40:02

Thad Phillips

You got classes, your life looks different.

:: 03:41:24

Thad Phillips

And when you get into a corporate world now, your life looks different or a real job. Your life looks different at that point because it's it's it's a lot more sedentary. It's a lot more, focused on one thing. And when you're focusing on one thing, you don't focus on the other things too. So, that's, that's a problem.

:: 03:58:17

Thad Phillips

Getting getting behind earlier in life, you know, as far as physically, either with your health, is a problem because now you're at 30 and you're overweight and we're struggling with it. So, but everybody's different. Everybody's going to be in a different spot. So.

:: 04:13:18

Pat McCalla

Well, and I as we wrap this up, I just wanted to touch on something again that we started with, Duke wrote a book called habits,

:: 04:20:13

Pat McCalla

and in that he talks about, like, making small habit

:: 04:23:21

Thad Phillips

changes in

:: 04:24:13

Pat McCalla

any area of your

:: 04:25:03

Thad Phillips

life. They've

:: 04:25:24

Pat McCalla

proven this scientifically,

:: 04:26:29

Thad Phillips

Sure

:: 04:27:22

Pat McCalla

that it will have, repercussions in different areas

:: 04:31:19

Thad Phillips

And we

:: 04:32:10

Pat McCalla

started that by saying we're holistic beings. It would make sense then. So you have given us, some really practical,

:: 04:39:29

Pat McCalla

simple, but not

:: 04:41:10

Thad Phillips

easy.

:: 04:42:06

Pat McCalla

first steps that we can take right now. But I can promise our audience that if they'll do some of those things, like just downloading this app and start doing it and it's going to add 20 minutes to your day, maybe, 30 minutes to your day.

:: 04:54:15

Pat McCalla

And it's going to get easier as you go,

:: 04:55:23

Thad Phillips

but 20

:: 04:56:11

Pat McCalla

or 30 minutes is going to actually have repercussions in other

:: 05:00:04

Thad Phillips

end of life.

:: 05:01:05

Thad Phillips

And

:: 05:01:17

Pat McCalla

you've seen this brand and you've seen this as you've worked with, with individuals and

:: 05:05:08

Thad Phillips

sure.

:: 05:06:02

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 05:06:20

Pat McCalla

them emotionally, helps them spiritually, helps them in

:: 05:09:02

Thad Phillips

Yeah

:: 05:09:16

Thad Phillips

Yeah. It doesn't take it doesn't take that much time. I mean once you get good at this, and have done it for a while, you can track your foods ten minutes out of the day. So everybody's got ten minutes. And it's amazing when you can do it. If you're at the gym, you can do it while you're at the gym.

:: 05:24:12

Thad Phillips

You can swipe two meals over. There's ways of knowing what you're going to eat later. You can put it in there too. So it kind of tells you or if, there's something bad skimming on it. So,

:: 05:33:24

Thad Phillips

that's the basics, for sure is there's just that first one. So download the app, start that you're going to have to buy a little food scale, get it on Amazon.

:: 05:41:14

Thad Phillips

Because a lot you're gonna have to weigh stuff out. Which sounds like a pain. Some people like, oh my gosh, I got to weigh things out. That's weird. But when you're punching these things in, they're going to ask you for grams or ounces. But it's not. It's it's really easy. It's it's on the counter. You're going to put your plate down.

:: 05:53:18

Thad Phillips

You're going to put it on there. And then you're going to eat it. Or if it's the same meal, like for me it's cream rice. But some, you know, some protein, some blueberry. Just saying. Same meal every day. You've only done it once. You never have to weigh that anymore. It's the same thing every time too.

:: 06:06:29

Pat McCalla

again, those 20, 30 minutes that, that extra that that's going to take you every day are going to have massive

:: 06:13:02

Thad Phillips

Well.

:: 06:14:25

Thad Phillips

It's the knowledge that you'll gain from it. Yeah. And the habits you break.

:: 06:17:19

Thad Phillips

Good, good at repercussions.

:: 06:19:01

Thad Phillips

Yes. Yeah, yeah yeah.

:: 06:21:21

Thad Phillips

Yeah yeah yeah yeah. I mean, you have to create healthy habits.

:: 06:24:17

Thad Phillips

I mean that's that's.

:: 06:25:28

Thad Phillips

The part of it.

:: 06:27:03

Pat McCalla

Well said. Thanks so much for being here. Really really appreciate

:: 06:29:18

Thad Phillips

it. Yeah.

:: 06:30:00

Pat McCalla

And as we're jumping into: 2025

:: 06:34:23

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 06:35:07

Pat McCalla

our audience trying to make it a healthy year. And again, coming as a person of faith,

:: 06:40:07

Pat McCalla

I believe that God gave me this body, gave you your body kit brand in your body. All of our ideas gave you and put you in dominion

:: 06:47:21

Thad Phillips

over.

:: 06:48:18

Pat McCalla

Told you, you take care of this.

:: 06:51:08

Thad Phillips

I'm giving this

:: 06:52:06

Pat McCalla

to you. It's my gift to you. Take care of it. And so our quality of life can be so much better if we'll just create some of these or do these small habits,

:: 07:00:15

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 07:00:25

Pat McCalla

to make us healthier

:: 07:01:21

Thad Phillips

I agree 100%.

:: 07:02:26

Pat McCalla

So the fun part

:: 07:03:25

Thad Phillips

Okay. All right.

:: 07:05:10

Pat McCalla

Two Truths and the lie,

:: 07:06:05

Thad Phillips

Two truths and a lie.

:: 07:07:05

Pat McCalla

audience has heard you here for, a little less than an hour.

:: 07:10:02

Thad Phillips

Okay.

:: 07:10:14

Pat McCalla

known you for a couple of

:: 07:12:01

Thad Phillips

years.

:: 07:12:06

Thad Phillips

Yeah, yeah.

:: 07:13:03

Pat McCalla

so we'll see if you can stop me. You're going to give three statements.

:: 07:15:15

Thad Phillips

okay?

:: 07:15:26

Pat McCalla

will be truths. One will be a

:: 07:16:24

Thad Phillips

like, all right,

:: 07:17:11

Pat McCalla

after, I guess, the the lie.

:: 07:18:22

Thad Phillips

Okay?

:: 07:19:17

Thad Phillips

And of course, I spent too much time trying to think of these because you do know me, so. All right, so.

:: 07:24:21

Thad Phillips

First one, I did a brief stint in the military.

:: 07:29:17

Thad Phillips

I chased a mountain lion.

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Thad Phillips

And then my wife and I are in an arranged marriage. I know these are all wacky, right?

:: 07:37:17

Thad Phillips

These are good. Yeah.

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Thad Phillips

You

:: 07:39:01

Pat McCalla

were in the military,

:: 07:40:00

Thad Phillips

Yep.

:: 07:40:12

Pat McCalla

you chased a mountain

:: 07:41:17

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 07:42:06

Pat McCalla

and you and your wife are in an arranged marriage. Brandon, you can help me with this one.

:: 07:45:27

Pat McCalla

But,

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Thad Phillips

Did I throw the.

:: 07:49:09

Thad Phillips

Farfetched one in there to throw you off? I mean, that's that's that's my thought is a little bit of reverse psychology

:: 07:54:14

Brandon Lopez

Would it be inappropriate for me to ask what your wife's ethnicity is?

:: 07:58:18

Thad Phillips

No, it's not inappropriate.

:: 08:00:01

Thad Phillips

She is from Texas. Just plain house vanilla skits.

:: 08:05:24

Thad Phillips

Hahaha. There. Yeah, he's asked me these assets aggressions. Yeah. So

:: 08:10:00

Pat McCalla

I, I don't I don't think you were in the military. You you look like you would have been in the military. But I think when I've asked your story, I don't remember hearing that. Now, I know you have one of your your

:: 08:20:18

Thad Phillips

kids

:: 08:21:09

Pat McCalla

in the, Air Force

:: 08:23:15

Thad Phillips

Yeah I was yeah. Yeah, yeah.

:: 08:25:07

Pat McCalla

were, but that's not a story.

:: 08:26:10

Pat McCalla

You had two kids who were in the military, and I wasn't.

:: 08:28:02

Thad Phillips

:: 08:28:18

Pat McCalla

What do you think? What do you think, Brandon?

:: 08:31:01

Pat McCalla

I can see you definitely chasing a mountain.

:: 08:33:09

Thad Phillips

I know that's I would think all right. We're going to say that's the truth

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Thad Phillips

okay.

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Thad Phillips

Okay.

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Thad Phillips

You chased him out.

:: 08:39:15

Thad Phillips

All right.

:: 08:40:04

Thad Phillips

Is that true?

:: 08:40:26

Thad Phillips

It is true. Yeah.

:: 08:41:27

Thad Phillips

It's a it's a it's a it's.

:: 08:43:10

Thad Phillips

It's that's a crazy story. It's one of the richest things ever. So.

:: 08:46:01

Thad Phillips

Yeah, literally chasing a big monster.

:: 08:48:06

Thad Phillips

Like I was chased by one.

:: 08:49:10

Thad Phillips

No no no.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah yeah yeah. It it's not a, it's not a manly thing. No, man. Men, my wife were on quads. We were up, up north in the mountains, and we're on this little trail and we come around this trail and literally I come around the corner and there's this big animal 50ft in front of me just running, and I'm like, you know, you're shocked.

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Thad Phillips

She's like, what is that? And it was huge. I mean, this thing was was every bit of like a couple hundred pounds and it's running and I kind of let off the throttle. I'm like, what is this? And then I just kind of give it a little bit more thought, like, whoa. And it, it kind of look back at me and then darted up the hill and there was this giant mountain.

:: 09:24:22

Thad Phillips

But it literally I paced it for I.

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Thad Phillips

Don't 100 yards before it. And I thought.

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Thad Phillips

Your first thought was I should.

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Thad Phillips

Follow. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it was, it was, it was not a smart thing to do I know. And Cindy's behind me is she's like, what are you doing? And I'm like, I don't know. This is kind of cool. Let's run it for me. So I and but then I go.

:: 09:43:07

Thad Phillips

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Thad Phillips

yeah. As soon as it, as soon.

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Thad Phillips

As it turned and went up the mountain, I thought, oh.

:: 09:50:13

Thad Phillips

This was bad because that thing was big. And I'm like, oh man, it's going to jump up.

:: 09:53:18

Thad Phillips

And then at that point you have the fear. But at first you're like, yeah, it's like when you're scuba diving, you see a shark. You may have seen some pretty dark sharks. And I'm like, I'm, I, you know, I have my GoPro. I'm like, this is awesome. This is so cool. And as it gets closer, you're like, oh, whoa, whoa.

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Thad Phillips

This, this this might not be as cool as I think. We started getting a little.

:: 10:08:19

Thad Phillips

Wet in the wetsuit, you know what I mean? Yeah. So

:: 10:11:01

Pat McCalla

it is funny

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Pat McCalla

like when you're diving down there, all you hear after about 30ft is you just hear

:: 10:15:17

Thad Phillips

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Thad Phillips

Which is

:: 10:17:00

Pat McCalla

what makes it so amazing. So it's like.

:: 10:18:24

Thad Phillips

yeah.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 10:21:05

Pat McCalla

But then when you see.

:: 10:21:25

Pat McCalla

A big shark,

:: 10:23:11

Thad Phillips

You have to breathe in your hands. Exactly. Go down in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

:: 10:29:25

Thad Phillips

Okay, so we got it down. Okay. We have a

:: 10:31:24

Pat McCalla

5050 chance. Brandon. Military or arranged marriage.

:: 10:34:25

Pat McCalla

Think

:: 10:35:14

Brandon Lopez

I asked you a question before this. I'm going to I'm going to say I'm. I'm lean towards the military being a lie.

:: 10:42:20

Brandon Lopez

Just because I asked what your background, what got you into security and you went straight into. You just always had firearms and you got into competitive

:: 10:51:09

Thad Phillips

:: 10:52:02

Brandon Lopez

I'm going to say

:: 10:53:08

Thad Phillips

military is lie.

:: 10:54:02

Thad Phillips

The military is like all right I'm sorry okay.

:: 10:56:08

Thad Phillips

Yeah yeah yeah.

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Thad Phillips

You guys are.

:: 10:57:07

Thad Phillips

Correct. So yeah. So there's.

:: 10:59:26

Thad Phillips

Been somebody pretty much in my whole family's always.

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Thad Phillips

Been in the military. Yeah. My dad was in Vietnam and then my daughter's in the Air Force, as well, so. But, so I thought I saw that, and there's just maybe you think runs in the family type thing, so. But, yeah, I, I've.

:: 11:12:26

Thad Phillips

Never been in the military. I actually wanted to go in the Air Force. It's funny, my daughter followed the path, and I never even told her that was.

:: 11:18:29

Thad Phillips

The path I wanted to do. So I wanted to go in the Air Force and be a pilot. And, I never did. I was detoured when I was younger from doing that. And,

:: 11:27:24

Thad Phillips

my daughter ended up doing that path, so that's crazy. So, yeah.

:: 11:31:09

Thad Phillips

So by the way, though.

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Thad Phillips

Yeah. I mean, yes.

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Thad Phillips

Yes.

:: 11:35:20

Pat McCalla

But just so the audience knows, there's no joke with you. I don't want to embarrass

:: 11:38:21

Thad Phillips

you, but yeah, you

:: 11:39:10

Pat McCalla

competitive shooting, and,

:: 11:40:22

Thad Phillips

Yeah.

:: 11:41:07

Pat McCalla

you're no joke.

:: 11:42:04

Thad Phillips

Yeah, I.

:: 11:42:25

Thad Phillips

Yeah, I like it. It's a hobby. So there's always somebody better. You always learn. There's always. There's always a plenty of people. But just when you think you're.

:: 11:49:07

Thad Phillips

Good at.

:: 11:49:24

Pat McCalla

the level where there's a lot of people. Worse though,

:: 11:52:11

Thad Phillips

Yeah, it's always there. Yeah. That is true. That is.

:: 11:54:24

Thad Phillips

True. You have to get to that point that's for sure. So but yeah you're always chasing that next one. That's better. But it's it's just like, you know, I was.

:: 12:01:10

Thad Phillips

Bodybuilding to you, you know, you have your friends, you think you're good and then you get up on stage with amateurs and you do really.

:: 12:06:22

Thad Phillips

Well, and then you get up on stage with professionals, you know, like, whoa, there's a whole nother level of this shooting is the same way, you know, I, I shot badly for a long time with friends and low level and and they're like, oh, man, you guys are amazing. You're the best shooter every scene. And then you, you go into the higher levels and you see people that do this for a living.

:: 12:22:00

Thad Phillips

You're like, I'm not even remotely.

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Thad Phillips

Close to that. That's when like genetic gifts and time.

:: 12:27:09

Thad Phillips

And and things happen all together and. Yeah. So but but I enjoy it. Yeah. So.

:: 12:31:27

Thad Phillips

Yeah. So so. Yeah. Okay.

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Thad Phillips

So quickly. Yeah. Bread and butter arranged marriage.

:: 12:36:17

Thad Phillips

Yes. This this would be a long story. So I'm going to make it super short, but, my,

:: 12:42:02

Thad Phillips

mom was on a business trip.

:: 12:44:21

Thad Phillips

And, she.

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Thad Phillips

Had this waitress.

:: 12:48:09

Thad Phillips

Or server at this expensive restaurant in Dallas. Most random thing ever. I'm in my early 20s.

:: 12:53:19

Thad Phillips

I was, just turned 21, actually.

:: 12:56:22

Thad Phillips

Anyway, so she's she's at this restaurant, and this waitress, she was hitting it off with her, and she's like, you'd be perfect for my son. And she's in Texas. I'm in here. And, I guess they talked and, this waitress was like, yeah, okay. You know, and they're showing pictures and they're a little creeped out. And this business trip, they were trying to.

:: 13:13:20

Thad Phillips

Woo my mom to buy some, some expensive software and stuff like that. So, they were having lots of cocktails, and everybody, the table's like.

:: 13:20:03

Thad Phillips

Oh, yeah, that'd be so cute. Whatever. The waitress kind of ducked off to the pass at the back when they left.

:: 13:26:29

Thad Phillips

And unfortunately for her, she had say that she didn't give out her phone number. Well, the next night, they're all driving around in this. I think it was in a limousine. And, one of the guys in the car was like.

:: 13:36:29

Thad Phillips

Hey, we need to go back and get that phone number for your son. And my mom was like, let's go. You know, they're they're having a good old time. So sure enough, they pull up out front.

:: 13:44:12

Thad Phillips

And, she.

:: 13:45:21

Thad Phillips

Runs into this restaurant like, hey.

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Thad Phillips

And my wife, I'm going to ruin the story now.

:: 13:51:18

Thad Phillips

Happened to pick up that chef? She wasn't supposed to.

:: 13:53:20

Thad Phillips

This was definitely, God ordained here. And she's like, wow, this lady.

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Thad Phillips

Came back for this number. I guess I'm going to have to do it. So she gave her phone number. My mom comes back for this trip. She's like, I met the perfect girl for you. This restaurant. I'm like you. I'm not calling some girl you met in Texas. And, I was really close with.

:: 14:09:21

Thad Phillips

My mom, who passed last year, but, she was just hounding me, man. She just wouldn't let it go. She's like a dog on a bone. But she's like that with everything, and she's like, you have to call her. You have to at least call her. So I called her. And, back then, we had, like, $500 long distance bills that I'm aging myself.

:: 14:27:13

Thad Phillips

Because this was 30 years ago.

:: 14:29:02

Thad Phillips

And, we talked on the phone for, like, 3 or 4 months without seeing each other. We sent some pictures, super random. And then one of her friends was driving to California. She hopped in the car with her.

:: 14:39:05

Thad Phillips

I met her here, and, Yeah, 30 years later, we got married.

:: 14:43:02

Thad Phillips

She arranged marriage and worked out.

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Thad Phillips

So it was 100% arranged. My mom at my wedding stood up and said, I'm the one that calls, you know, she said she she took credit for this so much that she wrote a book. She wrote a hardcover book about that whole thing and included pictures and all this other stuff. Which was it was it's super cute.

:: 15:00:14

Thad Phillips

There's more to that story.

:: 15:01:24

Thad Phillips

The guy that was wearing her, my mom ended up marrying, too, which is super weird, too. Yes. There's there's it is, it is. Yeah, it was it was a crazy.

:: 15:10:22

Thad Phillips

Story, but it was a huge blessing. Huge blessing on my part. So.

:: 15:13:22

Thad Phillips

Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations. Thank you.

:: 15:15:27

Thad Phillips

30 plus.

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Thad Phillips

Years.

:: 15:16:17

Thad Phillips

30 years. Yeah. 30. So, we've been married 28, but.

:: 15:20:25

Thad Phillips

We've been together for over 30 years, so. Yeah.

:: 15:22:27

Thad Phillips

Yeah, yeah.

:: 15:24:20

Thad Phillips

Yeah. Wow. This happened 30 years ago. So, yeah, it's, Yeah, a lot has changed since then.

:: 15:30:22

Thad Phillips

Well, thank you.

:: 15:31:08

Thad Phillips

Thank you so much for joining me. Appreciate. It's good to see you again. Thank you. Yeah. Wisdom. And here's to, healthier.

:: 15:36:21

Thad Phillips

Perfect. Thanks.

:: 15:37:13

Thad Phillips

You guys too. Thank you.

:: 15:38:20

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Episode 107

24th Jan 2025

Why Your Diet Shapes Your Life: The Truth About Nutrition | Ep. 107 with Thad Phillips

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