Episode 126

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15th Oct 2025

The Night I Faced Death: Inside a Shocking Undercover FBI Operation | Ep. 126 with Scott Payne

In this episode of the No Grey Areas Podcast, we are honored to be joined by Scott Payne — international best-selling author, retired undercover FBI agent, active shooter instructor, and former guest on The Joe Rogan Podcast! In this interview, Scott doesn’t hold back in sharing his most intense undercover experiences, including the night he almost lost his life, what it’s really like infiltrating violent criminal groups, navigating the stark contrast between his family life, and dealing with America’s most dangerous neo-Nazi networks.

He also opens up about the rise of social media extremism, the spreading of false information, and why our society is at a tipping point. Through it all, Scott’s faith and family kept him grounded, proving that even when facing unimaginable danger, every choice has consequences. If you want to see what it’s like to live undercover in the world’s deadliest organizations and confront the world’s pure evil, this episode is one you can’t miss.

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No Grey Areas is a motivational podcast with captivating guests centered around how our choices humanize, empower, and define who we become. This podcast is inspired by the cautionary tale, No Grey Areas, written by Joseph Gagliano. Learn more about the truth behind his story involved with sports' biggest scandal at https://www.nogreyareas.com/

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No Grey Areas
Hosted by Patrick McCalla
Life is a series of choices, and every choice you make ultimately makes you. The “No Grey Areas Podcast” is a motivational podcast platform with captivating guests centered around how our choices humanize, empower, and define who we become. The podcast was influenced by the story of Joseph Gagliano, the man who coordinated the largest college basketball sports scandal in 1994. No Grey Areas shares the underlying message that our choices, big or small, pave our future destiny.

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