Two Hands Are Overrated: How One Hand Shaped His Success | Ep. 111 with Mike Bolland
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Get ready for a power-packed episode of No Grey Areas with comedian Mike Bolland, a one-handed dynamo who turns adversity into triumph with humor and heart. Mike opens up about growing up with one hand, how he turned bullying into strength, and how his parents’ unrelenting support gave him the tools to face life head-on. "I could not imagine having two hands," Mike laughs, showing how he approaches every challenge with grit and determination.
Mike’s story is a masterclass in resilience. He dives deep into his "Believe" mantra and explains how taking ownership of your life—whether it’s learning to use a prosthetic or fixing cars differently than others—has been a key factor in his success. He shares how his fight with cancer only fueled his desire to live boldly and laugh louder. This episode celebrates attitude, self-advocacy, and the power of humor to break down barriers and connect people.
But it doesn’t stop there. Mike’s mission to empower the limb loss community is truly inspiring. Through his podcast and Helping Hands Foundation, he’s offering hope, mental health support, and opportunities for those facing similar challenges. Mike proves that no matter what life throws at you, your attitude and choices can shape your future. Don’t miss this unforgettable conversation—hit play and be ready to leave with a new perspective on overcoming obstacles!
Find out more about Joe and Marie Bolland's Helping Hands Foundation
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No Grey Areas is a motivational podcast with captivating guests centered around how our choices humanize, empower, and define who we become. This podcast is inspired by the cautionary tale, No Grey Areas, written by Joseph Gagliano. Learn more about the truth behind his story involved with sports' biggest scandal at https://www.nogreyareas.com/
Transcript
Host
Have you ever had to overcome a challenge that change your perspective on life? Today I'm joined by Mike Boland, a one handed comedian sharing his story to prove that you don't need two hands to attack life's challenges or to deliver a punch line. Let's get started.
::Pat McCalla
Mike Boland, welcome to the No Gray Areas podcast. So good to have you here. So I want to.
::Pat McCalla
Call out for those that.
::Pat McCalla
Are watching the elephant in the room right now, you are missing a hand. And the reason I bring that up is,
::Pat McCalla
it's tied to almost everything you do and everything that you say. And it's actually a big part of your life as as our audience is going to hear. So give us a quick introduction of of who you are and what you do.
::Mike Bolland
as a family, we moved here in: ::Mike Bolland
For me, at the time, I used to wear hooks at the time, so that was a challenge for them, not only finding jobs and schools where there wasn't any internet back at the time, but they had to find a place to get prosthetics for their young boy. And I really.
::Mike Bolland
In the
::Pat McCalla
early 70s it's a lot different than it is nowadays. Right. It was probably harder to find a place like that.
::Mike Bolland
It was very difficult change.
::Pat McCalla
Is it easier to find that now?
::Mike Bolland
it is very much easier and the prosthetics have gotten so much better since back in the day.
::Mike Bolland
I'm not gonna say my parents were lazy, but I was a pirate for every Halloween but that.
::Mike Bolland
Oh,
::Pat McCalla
and did you, did you pull off the hook
::Mike Bolland
Oh, yeah, of course.
::Mike Bolland
And you ever you were.
::Pat McCalla
You were born without a hand.
::Mike Bolland
I was born without a right hand.
::Mike Bolland
So
::Pat McCalla
what what was what was that?
::Pat McCalla
That never changed.
::Mike Bolland
It never changed. No matter how much I watered it. And they never sprouted anything, you know?
::Pat McCalla
So what was that like growing up with?
::Pat McCalla
That was I mean, sure, there was some difficulties with it.
::Pat McCalla
so walk us through that.
::Mike Bolland
It's interesting because my story isn't one of a lot of difficulty. Now, will I say that people made fun of me and, you know, maybe I got a little bullying. Sure. But it's one of those things that with a for me, in my situation, with the correct leadership that my parents were able to give me, that gave me the tools to be able to go through and handle all those situations.
::Mike Bolland
I've interviewed other people and met other people now, including people just like me, who have much different stories. So for me, I was very blessed and I don't have any one thing I can look back on and go, gosh, that was a a difficult time in my life because I had one hand. I really for me personally, I like the way I am.
::Pat McCalla
Yeah,
::Pat McCalla
what are some things that because again, I've had two hands my whole life
::Mike Bolland
Yeah.
::Pat McCalla
had what are some, some practical things.
::Pat McCalla
That you would tell our audience. Most of our audience probably.
::Pat McCalla
Has two hands
::Mike Bolland
Yeah.
::Pat McCalla
that you just have to work through, that you had to figure out as a kid that are easy for us with two hands to do.
::Mike Bolland
Well, one of the interesting things is I love working on cars and I'm very handy. And I know that's kind of a funny term to use for a guy with one hand, but I love working on cars and things like that. So one of the things that I always used is a vice grip,
::Mike Bolland
because you got, let's say you got a wrench near the top of a nut or bolt on one side, and then you have, what are you going to do on this side while you the vice grip?
::Mike Bolland
And I'm able to kind of hold it to a certain extent, and it really just depends on what the situation is or where I'm working. I can still put a wrench there and maybe have it hit something, but
::Mike Bolland
honestly, vice grip.
::Pat McCalla
grip. So again, I'm just asking
::Mike Bolland
you don't.
::Mike Bolland
Please.
::Pat McCalla
do
::Pat McCalla
you have a little vice grip prosthetic or do you
::Mike Bolland
Know
::Pat McCalla
something okay.
::Pat McCalla
How does.
::Pat McCalla
That
::Mike Bolland
Know, I just I put the vice grip on, let's say if I have a the top of a bolt here on the nuts on this side, clamp it with my left hand and then put it here. And then here's the the ratchets on the left side.
::Mike Bolland
But it's a
::Pat McCalla
little thing that, that that's the point.
::Mike Bolland
Yes.
::Pat McCalla
thing that you have to do that I wouldn't have to figure out.
::Mike Bolland
Yes,
::Pat McCalla
that a long time ago. What are some other things that,
::Pat McCalla
I would not even think about that would be a little more difficult.
::Mike Bolland
Well, maybe driving a nail I mean, again, being handy and things like that. How I do it is I explain it the best I can for the people that are listening. I'll hold the nail in my hand and then put it where I need it to be. And then I hold the hammer in my arm to a certain extent, because I can't hold it in my hand.
::Mike Bolland
I don't have a hand on the right side and use the weight of the hammer to just start the nail, and it takes a couple taps. You don't have to really drive it that hard. I certainly don't want to. I don't want to hit my only hand with the hammer. So
::Mike Bolland
as long as it's standing straight up, then I switch hands and hit it in.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah. And you know, I keep going back to maybe some more things that, mechanical and handy stuff. But even, like, I don't use air quotes. I mean, well, I did one time and I've been I'm still being quoted since eighth grade, but that's that's fine. Yeah. It's it's it never it never ends.
::Mike Bolland
But
::Pat McCalla
So, obviously humor is a big part of your life,
::Mike Bolland
Yes.
::Mike Bolland
So explain
::Pat McCalla
that a little bit. Because we've we've been talking here for just a few minutes and humor.
::Pat McCalla
Keeps coming up. Is that something that you had since you were a little kid? Was it just natural for you?
::Mike Bolland
It is. And I think I talked to a amputee support group just on Monday, and one of the questions they had for me was because there were newer amputees is my comedy is it's something that helped me while I was going growing up and things like that. And I really do think being a little self-deprecating on anyone's situation can help you attract like, the more flies with honey than others.
::Mike Bolland
And that's same with me. The thing that I don't I never wanted with myself was, have anyone be afraid to approach me and ask me questions about having one hand and what it's like growing up with one hand, or part of the limb loss community. I want to have that conversation because I want to pay it forward to the next person that may or may not have their own struggles.
::Mike Bolland
So I just I want to be able to have that conversation. I think the best way to do it is to make people feel at ease in my situation.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah,
::Pat McCalla
you're obviously very gifted at that, at making people feel at ease. Are there for our audience and for myself included. Are there things that like, if you see an amputee, what? What are the do's and don'ts with that?
::Mike Bolland
It really depends on the person themselves. And it it's it's a difficult thing because you don't know until you approach them. But I've had people on the I have a podcast, I have a people on my podcast who say, gosh, you know, I'm really sick of having to answer the same question multiple times. I personally am not. I will continue to do that.
::Mike Bolland
I in my situation, and I think it's healthy for everyone to approach someone and ask genuine questions and maybe not assume. And what do I mean by assume I? The reason why I say assume is a lot of times people like myself included, but other amputees will just they'll just assume that we went. We're at one time in the military and unfortunately, like, I wasn't able to do that because I was born without a hand.
::Mike Bolland
Others may not have
::Mike Bolland
been in the military for whatever reason in their own life. It and we.
::Mike Bolland
Never had anybody
::Pat McCalla
come up and say thank you for your
::Mike Bolland
service.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah, yeah, I have, and I feel bad because I really believe in the armed forces and the service I do.
::Pat McCalla
but I imagine that you just just visiting with you the short time we have. You seem like you're so good at making people. So what would you say? Because it's an awkward. It would be really awkward.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah. I come
::Pat McCalla
up to you and I say, hey, thank you for your service. What would you.
::Pat McCalla
Or how have you responded in the past?
::Mike Bolland
Well, I would just tell the truth at that point. I say, you know, hey, thank you. And I believe in the services, but I wasn't able to be in the services. I was born like this. I would just tell them, right away, this is where I was born. And, and I'm good with it, so don't worry about that.
::Mike Bolland
And
::Pat McCalla
Let me circle back around
::Mike Bolland
this
::Pat McCalla
earlier and I thought this was so interesting where you talked about you don't look back on your life and see, like any really, really difficult times because you were born as an amputee. But a lot of that,
::Pat McCalla
you said was because of your parents
::Mike Bolland
Yes, it really was.
::Pat McCalla
did they lead you with that?
::Mike Bolland
One of the things and I think this is very important, they didn't cut me any slack. I was expected to do anything that my brother or my sister were able to do. Like I said, my my dad, he would I didn't tell you what he did as a profession. He was a machinist. So we like to work on cars together.
::Mike Bolland
Those are the things that
::Mike Bolland
he wouldn't pick up a wrench and showed me how to do it. He might give me a tip here or there, but I was expected to do everything that my brothers and sisters were my brother and sister.
::Pat McCalla
like, you figure it out.
::Mike Bolland
Yes, absolutely. Yeah,
::Mike Bolland
if he needed to help, obviously he would. My mom in particular was someone she was such a strong person and I can't give it up enough to her. She was a stay at home mom. And this is again in the late 60s, early 70s. She taught me this. I forget a little motion, but this fantastic woman taught me.
::Mike Bolland
A one handed boy how to use a prosthetic. And there was no Google. There was no YouTube, there was nothing. So I still have in this came into my life recently. I still have the very first hook prosthetic I ever wore.
::Mike Bolland
It.
::Mike Bolland
nately, my mom passed away in: ::Mike Bolland
as a brother, my brother and sister, we put all of her belongings in boxes and they just got a little shuffled in January, opened one of the boxes and there was my first prosthetic.
::Mike Bolland
And it yeah, it means a lot to me how she was able to teach me how to use that prosthetic.
::Mike Bolland
We didn't call my prosthetic a hook or a prosthetic when I was younger. She called it a Wi-Fi boom. And what she did was. And I'll. I'll show this and I'll explain it to. We was open. Poom was closed. That's how she taught a person that was one handed. And I. There's a picture of me in the new Jersey newspaper before I was two years old with my hook on, because they did that story.
::Mike Bolland
Because I was able to control that hook before I was two years old. And that isn't because I'm because I'm some boy genius, because of my genius, of a mother to teach me that.
::Pat McCalla
got emotional when you talked
::Mike Bolland
about. Yeah. For
::Pat McCalla
sure. How does that work? So. So the web boom.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah.
::Pat McCalla
How do you. I never thought about that. Like, how does that work? How do you close that? Open and close.
::Pat McCalla
It.
::Mike Bolland
the closing is through, rubber bands on the hook itself. The opening is your back shoulder. For a person that is just has one hook with two hooks, it's a little different. One hook. It's your back shoulder. And this is what it,
::Mike Bolland
flexing my shoulder.
::Pat McCalla
Yeah. Yeah. You're flexing on our on our podcast.
::Mike Bolland
yes, yes.
::Pat McCalla
But
::Pat McCalla
so you just do that and it would open it.
::Mike Bolland
Yes. Yeah.
::Mike Bolland
The
::Pat McCalla
rubber bands would pull it close.
::Mike Bolland
Pull it close.
::Mike Bolland
there's a, a guided wire that goes back here that goes to the back here and this opens it, this, this will trigger.
::Pat McCalla
you're two years old in your mom who's not an amputee,
::Mike Bolland
No.
::Pat McCalla
is teaching you how to do that.
::Mike Bolland
Yes she did, and she I don't I believe at that time she had probably never seen another person with one hand.
::Pat McCalla
Yeah,
::Pat McCalla
man. Mike, I can tell by your reaction that you recognized what a gift your parents were, right? Like, even the resiliency that your dad taught you. Because that doesn't just come into effect with, with someone who's a child, that's an amputee. That's something we need to teach all of our kids. Right? Like, I remember when my son and I still look back on this is kind of a key moment in this life.
::Pat McCalla
Silly little thing. But I asked him to take the garbage out to the end of our drive, and it was a very long driveway, but it was too heavy for him. He couldn't do it with all the bags in there. And typically what we often do as parents is that we just go figure it out for him. But I remember in this case I said, son, you'll figure it out.
::Pat McCalla
And he was so frustrated. He was crying. You know, he's pretty young. He was like 18.
::Pat McCalla
No, I mean, he was younger
::Mike Bolland
but he pretty young.
::Pat McCalla
I kept saying, you'll figure it out. Just figure it out. And then all sudden I saw like this light bulb go on. And he started taking some of the bags of trash out, pulled it down there, went back and hold him back in. But I look back on that, I go, that was a that was one of those moments where he's learning to figure things out, which is a big part of life.
::Pat McCalla
And you were gifted with that with parents that did that with you.
::Pat McCalla
So much so that you have you have, a situation that you were born with. Like you said, all kids, kids can be cruel that you that you could have look back now and really, had a victimhood mentality. And I don't see that with
::Mike Bolland
Yeah. I don't I really feel I'm blessed to be born with one hand. I think it's I cannot imagine myself having two hands. And I'm, I'm glad you used the word gift because that was something that was coming to mind when you're telling your story. My parents given me the the ability to think for myself because they knew they weren't going to be around for me everywhere I was going to go.
::Mike Bolland
So that gave me the ability to think creatively and figure things out for myself. And it's it's because of them that I'm able to do that.
::Pat McCalla
Is your dad's life.
::Mike Bolland
He unfortunately is not okay.
::Pat McCalla
So you've lost both your
::Mike Bolland
Yes.
::Pat McCalla
of the difficulty of getting older is,
::Mike Bolland
Absolutely.
::Pat McCalla
to those people. Had such an impact in our lives. What's one of your life mantras? You're big, wise. You know this. This is why I do what I
::Mike Bolland
do believe.
::Mike Bolland
Believe. I have to believe. And maybe sometimes to a fault. There are things maybe that I can't do because I have one hand, but I still can believe I can do. And I'll still try. And I will continue to do things I don't care. I don't care if it takes me longer. I want the satisfaction of getting something done.
::Mike Bolland
I want to be able to do it myself. And that's just the way it is. I believe I can do it.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah,
::Pat McCalla
Okay, so this has popped in my mind a little one. Then going back to what we said earlier, how would you button your shirt?
::Host
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::Mike Bolland
I'll show I'll show everybody for this.
::Mike Bolland
So what I do and I'll explain as I do it, I put the buttonhole side, which is the left side, in my hand, and I hold the button with my left hand too. But then I take my stump and I push it through. Yeah. And there we go.
::Pat McCalla
And those are just the
::Mike Bolland
Yeah,
::Pat McCalla
Oh, there's there's got to be thousands of those little things that you just had to figure
::Mike Bolland
out.
::Mike Bolland
The tying the shoe is the probably the biggest question I get are tying a tie. Those are the things that people wonder how I do.
::Pat McCalla
All right. Can you walk us through that one? How do you tie a shoe?
::Mike Bolland
Tie my shoe is I wrap one of the shoe laces around my stump, and when you wrap it around and kind of cinch it. Yeah, I can pull it as hard. Probably better than I can with my hand, because it's just the pressure that's putting it on, and I just flip it around and and tie it. I don't think about it too much, but it is a question I get a lot.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah,
::Pat McCalla
Because you've been doing it for so long
::Mike Bolland
Yes, absolutely.
::Pat McCalla
just like anything.
::Mike Bolland
2122 I learned how to shop. I'm kidding. Of course, for Velcro.
::Mike Bolland
It's all about me. Yes.
::Mike Bolland
Why don't they come out sooner?
::Mike Bolland
And why did they have to sell
::Mike Bolland
Gloves in pairs. It's like whatever.
::Mike Bolland
And you
::Pat McCalla
can't even flip it over and use
::Mike Bolland
know? You know.
::Mike Bolland
It's
::Pat McCalla
so,
::Pat McCalla
share again, a little bit more about what it was like.
::Pat McCalla
Growing up as an amputee on again, you said you didn't have any big issues that you dealt with, but a lot of it was just learning how to do things. But but that was normal for you,
::Mike Bolland
right?
::Mike Bolland
Yes.
::Pat McCalla
Like abnormal for me to think about it, but normal for
::Mike Bolland
You know, I think of it as a tale of two lives. And if you don't mind, I'd like to explain someone that I met about a year ago who was born exactly like me. And this is kind of like I said, The Tale of Two Lives, where I was very blessed because of the people I had in my life and their ability to give me a lot of tools and a lot of guidance.
::Mike Bolland
This person that I met about a year ago, again born exactly like me, unfortunately, was born into a family where,
::Mike Bolland
they were ashamed because of how she was born and that that's very difficult.
::Mike Bolland
they would cover up. They would be ashamed to bring her to family functions. And of course, that made it so it was very difficult as she got older and led to depression and, and hard to go to school and things like that.
::Mike Bolland
And so there is a fine line between the two lives.
::Mike Bolland
as you get older, as we get older, we get to decide who we want to have in our lives. And I think it's very important that we
::Mike Bolland
surround ourselves with positive people, people that believe in us, people that we can also believe in. You don't get to choose your family necessarily.
::Mike Bolland
And I am happy to report, though, that she is very happy now. But her life growing up could have been the other side for me. I don't have those stories and I don't have. I don't want to represent myself in that way. But there are those stories out there.
::Pat McCalla
Yeah. But sometimes it's the positive stories are the most powerful stories, right? Like, we, we we hear a lot of the negative stories like you're talking about with her. And that's heart wrenching to hear that. And I can't imagine what she had to go through and the grieving that she's still doing as an adult because of that. But sometimes it's like your story.
::Pat McCalla
I mean, I'm motivated by that as a parent, and now I'm a grandparent to be that kind of, parent and grandparent to my kids, the kind that you had, you know, that that that teaches them resiliency and, you know, stick to it
::Mike Bolland
Yeah. You can figure
::Pat McCalla
this out, and you don't have to be ashamed of that. And there.
::Pat McCalla
Yeah, that's that's what a gift that was for you.
::Mike Bolland
You nailed something that I didn't bring up. The fact that I don't have to be ashamed how I am. And that is something they taught me, which I'm very honored that they did. I'm the type of person, and I, I talk about being an amputee and I. And when I talk to other amputees, I have something called the Triple A's of being an amputee or the limb loss community.
::Mike Bolland
One is being alone. That's a number one, because when we go into Walmart or we go into a stadium full of people, generally speaking, we're going to be the only ones like us out there. So that's the feeling of alone. But that's a human trait. We all feel like we're alone at certain times and there's things we can do.
::Mike Bolland
Number two is advocacy self-advocacy. If you're if your prosthetic isn't fitting right or you don't feel like you're getting the right medical attention, you need to do something about it. Be your own squeaky wheel. But the last one is attitude. And the reason why I bring that up, and I'm glad you brought up what you did, is because I can walk into a place and hide my arm and be ashamed, or I could walk in and raise them up and go, hey, I'm here, let's go.
::Mike Bolland
Let's have some fun. It's all about the attitude. And that's something that my parents and instilled in me. Yeah.
::Pat McCalla
Do you see? So going back to the lady that you were talking about before that didn't grow up the way you were, the way you did,
::Pat McCalla
do you see people once they start recognizing that attitude that it really shifts and starts having a, kind of a domino effect on their life?
::Mike Bolland
Yes.
::Mike Bolland
I think self self acceptance within a limbless community is very important. That's what I've learned by interviewing and now meeting a lot of different people. Self-acceptance is very important. Surrounding yourself with the right people. And then that's when the attitude kind of comes in, and then understanding that you're not alone. And one of the things about being alone, no matter what your situation is, sometimes going to a support group is what is 100% needed.
::Mike Bolland
And I could see that now that I volunteer my time to do that, I those weren't available to me when I was growing up, which is fine. I'm glad they're available now, because people do need to talk to others that are in the in kind of the same journey, and it does it in my life. It doesn't matter whether I'm missing a hand in X person is missing a foot.
::Mike Bolland
We can still connect on some level and have some really good conversations about what it takes to navigate some of life's challenges, and maybe even tell a couple jokes to each other and be a little light hearted about it.
::Pat McCalla
I love what you said about not being alone and going to people that are dealing with simply because that apply again for our
::Mike Bolland
audience. Yes,
::Pat McCalla
that applies to any of us. Right? If you've lost a child, sometimes going to a support group of people that have lost children through, you're going to connect and you're not going to feel alone, and you're going to have people that understand a little better than someone else that hasn't lost a child, what that's like, or a divorce or a loss of a spouse or a loss of a limb.
::Pat McCalla
Or we
::Mike Bolland
could go on that list, right? Yes. So that's
::Pat McCalla
the value of that. So I hear you saying like one of the things you would really advocate for is for people, if you're going through something difficult, find a support group.
::Mike Bolland
You need to be able to talk to someone in the same situation that you're going through. And you may not think so. You may think, hey, I got this right. We all think that at times, oh, I'm good, I got this. But I think there's so much power in being able to connect with others that are going through some of the same challenges, or maybe have gone through the same challenges.
::Mike Bolland
Something that I talk about too, or I guess it's been the light has been shed on me, is that there is another side. And that's one of the things that keeps popping up as I'm talking to other people within a limbless community. I was born like this, which is a little different than somebody losing their leg in a motorcycle accident.
::Mike Bolland
But what keeps coming up as I talk to people is there is another side. And I shouldn't say sometimes, almost always, that other side is something better than they ever imagined their life could be.
::Pat McCalla
like.
::Pat McCalla
That's huge. That's
::Pat McCalla
I mean, that's for any of us. Like, I know you're specifically dealing again with people that have lost a limb or born without a limb, but the that, that other side, the other. So there is another side. That's what spirals are so often as human beings. Session it is, is when we don't think that there's another side, when we don't think things are going to get any better when we write.
::Pat McCalla
So that's a, that's a huge attitude adjustment just to believe that.
::Pat McCalla
how do you help people understand that. Because I'm sure you sit down with some people just in the work that you're doing in the support group that you meet where someone hasn't seen that and maybe, maybe even doesn't want to in some way.
::Pat McCalla
So how do you walk or help people
::Mike Bolland
with that?
::Mike Bolland
A lot of times it's by example, and I can't be the example at all times because some of the journeys people have been on are much different than mine. But I've been very fortunate to create a network now of people that I know. If I know that there's a bilateral above knee amputee and they may be struggling with whatever they're struggling with, I can put them in contact with someone who's gone through exactly what they're going through.
::Mike Bolland
support groups are great, and there's a lot of different journeys that are represented. Sometimes that one on one is needed, a real heart to heart, and sometimes the real truth needs to be told, hey, this isn't going to be easy, but you're going to get through it and I'm going to be here to help you get through it.
::Mike Bolland
That's extremely important.
::Pat McCalla
You know what I love about the stuff that you're doing and even these, these concepts you're bringing up. I'm a person of faith. And so in, in Corinthians, one of the books in the Bible, the guy that wrote it talks about how we can comfort other people that are going through this, the kind of things that we're going through or the difficult things that we're going through.
::Pat McCalla
And I see you, sounds like for most of your life you've been giving back or helping comfort people
::Pat McCalla
that are going through or are in this similar
::Mike Bolland
That the interesting where you put it. For the longest time in my life, I was trying to be more of a lead from example type of person. Two years ago, I retired from a career that I had for 30 years, and I did it because I wanted to give back to this community, but more of a way to actively give back by starting the podcast, by starting the nonprofit, by doing my speaking and even doing the comedy, because that shows a different light of someone who's missing a limb.
::Mike Bolland
I'm way more active than I used to be. I was a little bit more passive. Hey, look, it. I can lead by what I'm doing, how I'm conducting myself now. I'm taking it to action and I'm putting in my words and action.
::Pat McCalla
yeah.
::Pat McCalla
So the comedy that I've always.
::Pat McCalla
It's doing stand up comedy, I think that is got to be one of the most difficult things in the world, because most people are just like speaking.
::Pat McCalla
In front of people. That's hard enough.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah,
::Pat McCalla
But then you go and everybody's there thinking, okay, make me laugh.
::Pat McCalla
That's what we're here for. I just can't imagine standing up and doing that. When did you start, doing that? Did you dabble with it.
::Pat McCalla
Before in life, or is this something that's new?
::Mike Bolland
It was new. And I had always I had always made fun of two handed people.
::Mike Bolland
No, I'm kidding again. I'm joking up. So. So that part was easy, you know. No,
::Mike Bolland
always that element of me. In: ::Mike Bolland
Getting through the cancer in: ::Mike Bolland
I gave it up completely, though, to get my job and my career, and I made the right decisions there. But then number two was try stand up comedy, because the thing about cancer and
::Mike Bolland
everyone has been touched by cancer at some point. Yeah. But during my journey, I realized that I needed to have goals beyond the cancer battle itself.
::Mike Bolland
What am I going to do after cancer? And that those were the two things. Try the tour again, which I haven't done, but try standup comedy, which I have and I'm very glad I did. I was I was extreme to say I was scared to get on stage a first time. That's a tremendous understatement. I, I could, I could brag about being a great juggler with one hand, I mean, right, you know, I was scared so much, but I did it, and I'm glad I did it, and I.
::Mike Bolland
And I continue to do it now.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah. Yeah.
::Pat McCalla
and a lot of.
::Pat McCalla
Your routine, I'm assuming.
::Pat McCalla
Has to do with
::Pat McCalla
the hand or the, the loss of a hand, because you've already dropped a bunch of
::Mike Bolland
Right. Yeah.
::Mike Bolland
It absolutely is. And I think for someone like me to get on stage, I think the first thing you have to do is address the elephant in the room. So you have to address it right away.
::Pat McCalla
do like what would you do when you walked up to the mic?
::Mike Bolland
I probably act like this is the microphone. My stump might be in the microphone. Is this thing on? Is this on? I'll draw faces on here. Yeah. And. Yeah, because I just I just have fun.
::Pat McCalla
Yeah. Oh you could
::Mike Bolland
got.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah I have a, I have a little bit of a well it's not really wrist of a wrist. It's more just muscle. So I'm able to move the end of my arm. So and this is what I was going to say some funny this comes in handy. And that's actually the truth because I'm able to grab things because of this.
::Mike Bolland
So almost going back to the limb last conversation, whatever residual limb you have, whatever your residual limb is able to do, take advantage of that. And I do, because I just have this little movement. I take advantage of it
::Mike Bolland
through comedy.
::Mike Bolland
To, you know,
::Pat McCalla
one thing that I love,
::Pat McCalla
about you might a little bit that I've gotten to know you already is I read a book I love reading, I read a book a couple years ago, and it's written by a sociologist, and he was studying people that have accomplished a lot of a great things. And, you know, all kinds of people in different ways, sometimes watch someone accomplishing great things.
::Pat McCalla
They were a great parent, you know, the world's not going to know him, but they were a great apparently impacted their children or children's children. But, he was talking about how in his study, he found that it was a lot of times just because they overcame something, they had a reading disability and they struggled with that all through school, but that actually was somehow turned into a strength for them.
::Pat McCalla
Or they were missing a limb and they couldn't do things the way that two limb people could do. But but that became a strength for them. And that's kind of what I'm hearing from your story,
::Pat McCalla
something that could have been a weakness, or you could have, acted like you were a victim with you've almost used for your advantage.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah, I, I agree, I think it's something that's given me the power. And growing up, you asked me some question about growing up. I'd be the last person to be picked on or picked for a basketball team. That's just the reality of it. But that made me want to be better at basketball, and I love. But I still try to play as much and shoot around as much as I can.
::Mike Bolland
I can only go left, of course, but, you know, that's that's no surprise to the rest of the to the opposing team.
::Pat McCalla
if I was playing defense on you, I kind of feel like a jerk though. Overplaying your
::Mike Bolland
right side, right?
::Mike Bolland
But I can still dribble with this. I just can't really shoot that way. Yeah, but I it yeah I do. Yeah I that issue. But it does give you more power because it gives you the ability. Creative thinking is extremely important when you're missing a limb. Creative thinking is extremely important. How am I going to do this?
::Pat McCalla
Well once again, going back to studies that have been done with sociology that most 4 or 5 year olds rank very, very, very high on creative thinking. And then it starts dropping off drastically fast after that. And I suppose that's where something like this becomes an advantage for you, because you're forced
::Mike Bolland
Yeah.
::Pat McCalla
to be creative through through life,
::Mike Bolland
Yes.
::Pat McCalla
because most things are made for people with two hands or for two legs.
::Pat McCalla
So if you're missing one of those, you're saying you've got to continue to be creative.
::Mike Bolland
Well, like, I'll show you something and I'll explain it for the people that are listening. Yeah. Let's say I want to carry my cell phone. I have very good balance, for whatever reason, on my stump, and I can just carry this out. It makes my wife really nervous. Of course I can walk like this. Yeah, even chew gum.
::Mike Bolland
I'm kidding.
::Mike Bolland
But
::Pat McCalla
Okay. So just for our audience, that's just listening. You have your cell phone balancing.
::Pat McCalla
On the stump,
::Mike Bolland
and move it. Moving your arm.
::Mike Bolland
Around, flinging it around. Yeah, flinging it around. So again a little bit of a superpower. As you said before, I think we all, as humans possess whatever superpower we have might happens to be very good balance on my stump, and I take advantage again. Take advantage of what those little superpowers are because it can make your life easier.
::Pat McCalla
Yeah,
::Pat McCalla
yeah. Great point. So,
::Pat McCalla
tell us a little bit about your podcast and your foundation.
::Mike Bolland
The podcast is called We're Not Stumped. And it was something that I've been we're not stumped.
::Mike Bolland
initially it was meant to tell more stories about the limb loss community. I'm very proud to say it's expanded beyond that to talk about the disability community in general. Of course, the emphasis on is on my journey or the the path that I know much more about.
::Mike Bolland
But what it is, I get people on the podcast to tell their story and what it is help others. Because even if they're not actively saying, here's what I did or leading by example hearing those stories. And I remember when I it's two years now and I'm close to 100
::Mike Bolland
episodes in. Yeah.
::Mike Bolland
Congratulations.
::Mike Bolland
Thank you. Yeah. As you know, Grind It is a grind
::Pat McCalla
podcasts never make it past nine episodes.
::Mike Bolland
Wow. Yeah. Really? Yeah.
::Pat McCalla
Large large percentage of podcasts
::Mike Bolland
I didn't even make it past five fingers. So it's kind of. I could see where people would drop that off. I mean.
::Pat McCalla
Yeah. But you're coming on 100 or you've had 100. So congratulations.
::Mike Bolland
Thank you. Thank you for that.
::Pat McCalla
so go ahead I interrupted you.
::Mike Bolland
Know, no that's fine. And the reason why I started it two was again a different journey than me. But I know that there's people, let's say, laying in a hospital bed, maybe getting ready for their own journey, or maybe because it's something that's already happened. But whether it be medical or an accident, embarking on a journey that they have no idea what it's about.
::Mike Bolland
None. A lot of people that are not a part of the limbless community have no idea what it's about, and that's that's fine. I mean, it's better that they don't know. It's a difficult thing,
::Mike Bolland
but what is available to that person when they're laying in bed? And that was the inspiration for me to start the podcast.
::Mike Bolland
Back
::Pat McCalla
to one of your A's right alone.
::Mike Bolland
alone.
::Mike Bolland
Feeling.
::Mike Bolland
Exactly. And
::Mike Bolland
I remember during my cancer battle going to WebMD. Scariest thing ever, right? Yes, that's exactly it. Yes. And or I'm growing three hands, you know, we don't know what's happening.
::Mike Bolland
I'd rather hear them have them stumble upon my. My theory was have them stumble upon my podcast and then get some real answers from people that are going that have gone through exactly what they've gone through.
::Mike Bolland
And it took some episodes, as you know, it builds and builds. You hope it builds and builds. And I want to say about maybe four months ago, maybe a little six months ago, I had a person on the podcast, Ashley Ramirez, and she lost her left leg in a car accident. And she said, Mike, I, I just want to let you know that I stumbled upon your podcast.
::Mike Bolland
You know, I get a little emotional here when, when I was laying in the hospital bed and, I'm very glad I did. I'm very glad I did. And, that's all I need.
::Mike Bolland
Sorry.
::Pat McCalla
No, Mike, that's, I'm you're, you're emotion show you're human
::Mike Bolland
Yeah. And that's
::Pat McCalla
why you're doing what you're doing right to you. You obviously have empathy for people and you love to help walk people through that difficult time. So this young lady is in a very, very difficult time and like you said, probably feels very alone.
::Mike Bolland
Yes.
::Pat McCalla
And she stumbles on your podcast. And I had a huge impact
::Mike Bolland
Yes and is all because of the guests, you know, I can think of, I think it's Tracy Lamar. She's the one that she heard and who was a bodybuilder who lost her leg through a knee injury, who went back on stage. And it was just an honor to be able to interview her and then have that story reverberate all the way to Ashley, who is now doing well.
::Mike Bolland
I just saw a, YouTube short with her, with her new prosthetic. She's doing great. She's
::Mike Bolland
she's a great person as everyone has been on the podcast.
::Pat McCalla
How would someone find you
::Mike Bolland
We're not stumped.com. We are not. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, without the apostrophe in the URL, but we're not stump.com. And then my personal website is Mike bowling.com.
::Pat McCalla
Mike Boland and Boland is.
::Mike Bolland
bolland okay.
::Pat McCalla
And we'll put that in the
::Mike Bolland
Thank you
::Pat McCalla
in the notes too. So people can get connected with you. And are you okay if people like, like let's say we have a listener who is connected to someone who is maybe walking through this or, even walking through cancer, that sounds like something you've had.
::Pat McCalla
Is is that a reason that they could go and connect with you and reach out to you?
::Mike Bolland
Yes. I would feel like I didn't do my job today. And I thank you so much for having me on the podcast. But I, I wouldn't have done my job today if I didn't hopefully give people the
::Mike Bolland
the feeling that they can contact me for any reason they can contact me. I very much appreciate that.
::Pat McCalla
Yeah. No I appreciate that. So I would encourage our audience. I mean I doubt we with an audience of our size that there isn't someone that doesn't know a person who maybe is just starting to walk through this. In fact, we we have someone who's on our podcast, I think it dropped about a year ago or something, and he had gone through brain cancer and just miraculously, the doctors couldn't figure it out, but he just found out it's back.
::Pat McCalla
And so he's walking through that now. So
::Pat McCalla
I think most of us would know someone
::Mike Bolland
Yeah. He's going through this. Yeah. And
::Pat McCalla
I would encourage our audience, reach out to you, go check out your stuff, go check out your podcast for sure. Maybe encourage someone that they know to listen to that podcast that could that could help them. Like you're saying that young lady that sat in the in the, hospital that had just lost a leg, let me let me just circle back to that really quickly, though.
::Pat McCalla
That's got to be a little different. For someone who loses a limb, like you were born without a limb and someone that loses them, what's the difference that you've seen as you've talked to people and walk with people in their journey?
::Mike Bolland
A lot of times within our community that does come up and it comes up all the time. And my thing about that is obviously people are going through some traumatic the worst times of their life. You lose a leg, you lose a limb. That is going to be mostly, they say it's like losing a loved one.
::Mike Bolland
It's going to be the worst part of your life. What I try to do is I, I, I'm.
::Mike Bolland
So, so sorry to interrupt,
::Pat McCalla
but I don't want our audience missed what you just said. It's like losing a loved one. Because, again, if I lost my. I mean, I've had this. I'm. I turned 53 soon. If I lost this, this has been with me for 53
::Mike Bolland
years.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah.
::Pat McCalla
the grieving process that they're going to go through.
::Pat McCalla
It's similar to losing a loved one. That's what you're
::Mike Bolland
saying.
::Mike Bolland
Absolutely. And that's coming from people, multiple people on the podcast that have told me exactly that, and not only through their own experiences. That's through their own research. This is something that happens within the limb loss community. And that's that's what it's like. It's like losing a loved one. So it's a very difficult thing. And is the difference?
::Mike Bolland
There's differences. And with me, I didn't have that. And again, my story because of my guidance with my parents is a very good story. But on the tell, the two lives somebody born just like me could have been going through a lot of hard times in their life. So there are differences. I if someone lost their leg when they're 50, let's say, well, they didn't have to go to elementary school in that first day with limb loss.
::Mike Bolland
So
::Mike Bolland
while there's the differences, yes, it's best that we as a community come together because there's a lot of issues that within our community that we probably I shouldn't say probably we can help to manage and be successful with if we're together instead of apart and start thinking, well, you're a congenital, you've lost it through medical.
::Mike Bolland
What's the difference?
::Mike Bolland
It doesn't matter
::Pat McCalla
for for any of us.
::Mike Bolland
right? Yes. Or
::Pat McCalla
comparing pain, like my pain is worse than your pain.
::Mike Bolland
Yes.
::Mike Bolland
Well,
::Pat McCalla
fact is, is we're both in pain where we both have a loss. We both are struggling with some things. We're both not necessarily okay. And and and that's okay to say.
::Pat McCalla
Right?
::Mike Bolland
Right? Right. Absolutely.
::Pat McCalla
tell us a little bit about your foundation.
::Mike Bolland
The foundation is named after my parents, the Home Reborn Foundation, Helping Hands Foundation, John Rebel and Helping hands.org. And really what I did was I wanted to create a foundation, first of all, in their honor. And I'll say, first of all, I don't mind it that way. I am everything that I am because of them. But as I go through what I started to learn about limb loss, a lot of the limb loss, let's say a publication or whenever you see someone in the news, when they have a publication or when they have limb loss, it's all about getting back into sports, which I'm 100% for.
::Mike Bolland
I love sports, I said earlier, I was on the Pro Bowlers Tour myself. I play basketball, but that's just a part of life. It's not your whole life, but a lot of times within our community, that's what we we show pictures of people hiking after having limb loss and that's great. But there's more to it. So that's what the the foundation's about.
::Mike Bolland
It's about trying to create employment opportunities and how we can work with others to get employment opportunities. And then mental health to mental health is a difficult thing within any community, I'm sure. But certainly within the limbless community, you know, the dating, the react summation, how are people going to accept you? How is how are you going to handle yourself going to a convenience store where everyone's staring at you?
::Mike Bolland
Those those are difficult things. And that's what we want to focus on employment, prosthetics, they're all important, but we like to focus on more of the mental and the heart as opposed to just a prosthetic. And I don't just a prosthetic is not doing it justice. It's just
::Mike Bolland
it's a part of a pie. It has to come together.
::Mike Bolland
And that's what we focus on.
::Pat McCalla
at it holistically.
::Pat McCalla
Which, which is so important.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah. Because
::Pat McCalla
you're getting kind of that wraparound care, mental health. So you mentioned that. Have you seen that change in your life time where people are more open to talk about that.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah, absolutely. And that's something that I've it's funny you bring that up. There was a time where
::Mike Bolland
I think it was a little bit more taboo to talk about what happened to you, or certainly asking questions. I don't know whether I can approach this person and ask a question. It was more taboo. And because of that, maybe a person like me was more in a corner.
::Mike Bolland
Now we're not and that helps with the mental health. We're more accepted. We see more of people like me in movies and television shows, commercials, and I think that's a good thing.
::Pat McCalla
yeah. So do you take for your, for your, foundation. Do you guys take donations
::Mike Bolland
We do.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah. And if
::Pat McCalla
people went to your website, would they find a way to do that?
::Mike Bolland
Yes. There's a donation. Joanne Marie Boland Helping hands.org kind of a long URL, but again to honor my parents. Yeah.
::Pat McCalla
yeah man I got to come back to your parents again though. You keep bringing them up and I love that. You know we again this podcast is built around the power and complexity of human choice that we make our choices and eventually our choices make us. And it's it's it's around the guy that's the story is is no gray areas and surround the guy who made a mistake when he was like 22 or 23.
::Pat McCalla
He's in his mid 50s now. In a lot of ways. He's still paying for that mistake because those things follow us. But at the same time, there's a it's an amazing redemption story. But when we when we talk about choices, I think legacy comes up often. Like what kind of legacy do you want to leave? And I come back to your parents and I think they're probably not someone they're world famous.
::Pat McCalla
Their names aren't going to be in the history books someday, but what a legacy they left. Like who you are. Do you mind me asking how old you are?
::Mike Bolland
I'll be, 59.
::Pat McCalla
59 years old. You're almost 60
::Mike Bolland
years old.
::Pat McCalla
and you continue to talk about your parents. That's a legacy.
::Mike Bolland
They made
::Pat McCalla
choices that had a huge impact on you and your siblings, probably, and now are going to have an impact on future generations. Probably generations that won't even know their names. Right? Like your great grandkids. Statistically, their great grandkids statistically won't remember their names, but the legacy is going to follow with them, right?
::Mike Bolland
That's the goal I really want to have that legacy. And you know, obviously they're not here. They don't even know that this was I could have called it anything. I could have called it. The lefties.
::Mike Bolland
Have.
::Mike Bolland
Done after they have.
::Mike Bolland
Passed this. This was done after they had passed. But again, going through my cancer battle, this knew that I wanted to give back to the community. I can only give back to the community and have the attitude I do now because of those two fantastic people. That's why it's named after them.
::Pat McCalla
And that's there's such hope in that because all of us as listeners, like very few of us, are going to ever be famous people. Very few of us are ever going to have our names in a history book, statistically. Again, like I just said, my great grandchildren won't even remember my first and last name. But that doesn't mean that we can't have an impact that goes down generations.
::Pat McCalla
And your parents did that. What a what an honor. And and you're doing that the way you're living your life, Mike. It really sounds like you're doing that with with people. Again, I find it fascinating and I've just huge respect for you and hearing your story that because you don't have this terrible childhood that you grew up in, you know, without a limb and this, this, this terrible story would have been easy for you just to move on and and forget about that community, if you will.
::Pat McCalla
I used air quotes.
::Mike Bolland
What? You used air quotes. Yeah. Just don't just don't start clapping because now what? We're now we're going to try I. Yeah, yeah,
::Pat McCalla
yeah, but,
::Pat McCalla
You didn't walk away from that. You're going, I'm going to give back.
::Mike Bolland
I'm giving back because of them really. And yeah, I, I'm driven. Like, I can tell. I'm almost like I never been before. And I, I was pretty driven as a bowler, you know, when I was a young man, my mom would drop me off this before I could drive. She dropped me off at the local bowling center, and I'd bowl all day just to.
::Mike Bolland
And I was a practice aholic. I didn't know it at the time, but that's what I was. And that it got me to where I wanted to go. I only had a cup of tea on the regular tour, but I had a good time doing it. But I'm more determined to make this part of my life the best part of my life, and to make it better for others.
::Mike Bolland
I need to do that.
::Pat McCalla
Why is that?
::Mike Bolland
Boy that that's a loaded. I honestly don't know if I know the answer to that. I am just it's something that just burns inside of me to try to make it better for others. Probably because my parents did it for me. Why can't I do it for others? I have to do it. I have to continue to move forward, I enjoy it, I enjoy meeting new people and hearing the news stories and recording the new podcast with the person that has.
::Mike Bolland
I just had a person on the podcast that had something called ICU integration, which is actually putting a steel rod into your bone to make it so the prosthetic will stay on the on your residual limb. Her story is unbelievable and it's going to help so many other people. Painful.
::Mike Bolland
Yeah. She was talking about that too. I had to ask that question.
::Mike Bolland
Yes.
::Pat McCalla
But that story is going to help a lot of people. Would you want now being a podcaster I recognize that one of the difficult, especially as you start getting into a hundred episodes, is finding guests.
::Pat McCalla
if our audience knew of someone that they thought would be a good guest, would you like him to reach out to you and say this might be someone to look into
::Mike Bolland
Yes. Yes, absolutely. Thank you so much for saying that. There's a contact for on on. We're not stumped and I'd love to hear more stories.
::Pat McCalla
I'm going to think through my, my group that that I know and think if there's anybody I can recommend I'll think through it some more today and maybe pass it along.
::Mike Bolland
along.
::Mike Bolland
Thank you. I appreciate that.
::Mike Bolland
Some
::Pat McCalla
great things. Mike, thank you so much. And thank you for exemplifying what we're about. I mean, again, we talk about the power and complexity of human choice, where the pinnacle of creation, I mean, we we can make choices good or bad.
::Pat McCalla
And you you've touched on that numerous times, even about attitude. There's so many things in this world I can't control, but I can control my attitude and you were talking about that, you know, and just your attitude. One of those three A's,
::Mike Bolland
A's.
::Mike Bolland
Right? It is.
::Pat McCalla
listed. So thank you for what you're doing.
::Pat McCalla
So one of the ways we close out this podcast though is we do two truths and a lie.
::Host
As we're wrapping up this episode. Be sure to leave us a five star review. And if you're watching on YouTube, leave a comment on something you'll take away. All right, let's hop back into the remainder of the episode.
::Pat McCalla
It's a fun way. It's ironic because there's no gray areas is what we call it. And I'm going to ask you to lie to me.
::Mike Bolland
Oh, absolutely.
::Pat McCalla
gray. So, give me three statements.
::Pat McCalla
Two of them we will be true. One will be a lie, and I have to try to guess the lie.
::Mike Bolland
Okay. Let's see.
::Mike Bolland
I can spin a basketball on my stump. I was once a child actor, and I love. I love eggs.
::Mike Bolland
I don't care how they're made, I love eggs.
::Pat McCalla
cause I try to get it down to: ::Mike Bolland
You're correct.
::Mike Bolland
It's good. Now I got.
::Mike Bolland
It down to: ::Mike Bolland
Love eggs.
::Pat McCalla
And
::Mike Bolland
what was the other one?
::Mike Bolland
I was once a child actor.
::Pat McCalla
Oh, man,
::Pat McCalla
I could totally see you being a child
::Mike Bolland
child. I can totally see you have that
::Pat McCalla
presence about you.
::Pat McCalla
So I'm going to say. I'm going to say, that's true.
::Mike Bolland
You nailed it,
::Pat McCalla
did.
::Mike Bolland
Wow. So you don't like it?
::Mike Bolland
I don't like eggs.
::Mike Bolland
I do like different ones.
::Mike Bolland
Like I love eggs, right? I hate eggs,
::Pat McCalla
if that was the lie.
::Pat McCalla
So you were.
::Pat McCalla
A child actor for a
::Mike Bolland
while?
::Mike Bolland
Well, it's funny you, when you talk about opportunities and things that you don't realize, but because of how you were born. When we moved from new Jersey to Arizona looking for a prosthetic, we didn't know this, but there was a production company looking for a young one handed boy to play a part in the movie. That movie ended up being The Trial of Billy Jack, which is kind of dated.
::Mike Bolland
It obviously came out in: ::Mike Bolland
Have you done any acting?
::Mike Bolland
No.
::Mike Bolland
No, no, I never did.
::Mike Bolland
It was really because you had. Yes. Oh, yeah. You
::Pat McCalla
had got an opportunity.
::Pat McCalla
Because of that. But are you
::Pat McCalla
is this self-deprecation or are you serious where you're like, I didn't act very
::Mike Bolland
I don't think I acted very well. I don't think the Brady Bunch kids were ever in danger of having 11 hands and said as well, yeah, I don't I don't think so at all.
::Mike Bolland
But yeah,
::Pat McCalla
Well, thank you so much, Mike. Really, really appreciate.
::Pat McCalla
Your time today and appreciate what you're doing. I encourage our audience to reach out and check out your podcast and check out your foundation.
::Mike Bolland
Thank you so much for having me on. This was an honor and a pleasure.
::Pat McCalla
Yeah,
::Host
Thanks for hanging out with us and Mike Bolan on this episode of the No Gray Areas podcast. Remember, life's too short to take it too seriously. We'll catch you next time.
